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    Pete Carroll on Matt Cassel, whom he coached at USC:
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allthingstrojan/2008/09/pete-carroll--1.html

    J D Sal
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    That's not good news. Pete's grasp on evaluating talent at the NFL level is suspect at best.
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    Uh Oh. Pumped & Jacked!? Now we're in trouble!!
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    I liked Pete Carroll and I don't think he had the full opportunity here as head coach with Bobby Grier as GM. BG was not a great evaluator of talent and it cost Carroll his job here.
    I'm glad to see his success at USC and that he is not bitter at NE fans.
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    Grier was the talent collector/evaluator for Pete Carroll. Carroll was only the coach and they did not communicate at all, a coach and VP of Player Personnel need to be on the same page at all times like BB and Pioli. Grier also constantly undercut Carroll's authority by having an open door policy with players. If you remember he had players going to him whenever they disagreed with the coach. When the coach doesn't have final authority those things tend to happen. It's obvious Carroll can evaluate and collect talent, just look at USC. Another problem Pete had according to Jonathan Kraft was that he was a better teacher than a manager. As a coach you need to be both. As a great defensive coordinator in the NFL I think we can trust Carroll's opinion about a QB, after all he neutralized some good ones while in the league.
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    When I saw "pumped" in the first line, I cracked up and was looking for "jacked" somewhere else in the story. God bless Pete.

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    Thank you!!!!!! He wasnt Parcells and he wasnt Belichick but in 1998 Pete Carroll did one of the best coaching jobs getting that team into the playoffs with Bledsoe hurt, Coates hurt, Glenn hurt, Ted Johnson hurt etc etc.

    Im happy to see his success at USC.
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    That's why I qualified my statement by saying "at the NFL level".
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    What of the other rebuttles to your statement?
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    If the first mate screws up the navigation and the ship runs aground, the captain of the ship is the one ultimately responsible.

    If Carroll was getting undercut on personnel decisions, then he should have said something, tried to have Grier fired or quit.

    Why did Carroll turn down the 49ers job, then if he's such a great talent evaluator and coach at the NFL level?
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    Carroll is a nice guy. That's great for college, where he can go to a recruit's house and woo his mother by playing the piano for her. In the pros, you need to be much more of a tough guy.
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    Why did he turn down the 49ers? I think you are referring to after the 2002 season. They had and have ownership issues and he wasn't offered full control. He also flirted with the Dolphins and Falcons in 2007 and the Redskins as well but no one offered full control like he has at USC. I've heard him say that that would be the only way he comes back to the NFL because he's tried the other route and it didn't work. Also, money and security are two other factors: (1.) With the hundreds of millions he generates for USC, I'm quite sure they would beat any offer from a contract point of view. (2.) Before getting hired at USC Carroll hadn't been at any spot for more than 5 yrs, he is now in his 8th season at USC.
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    Sorry but that is too funny. You question the guys ability to evaluate talent by asking why he turned down the 49ers job.....maybe because he evaluated that they have no talent.


    I hear the best way to be successful in the NFL is to try to get the people around you fired so you have more control. Carroll maybe should have realized that alot of his success would be out of his control when he took the job but to say he should try and get other guys fired to save his ass is wrong. Maybe you are right that Carroll and his style just wouldn't work in the NFL but I still don't see where a very successful Head Coach of a Major College could be considered anything but a good football talent evaluator. There is more to coaching than just recognizing good players (that job is called a scout).
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    Money and security? If the guy's a good coach, then he won't have to worry about those things. Ask BB or Dungy if they live in fear of getting canned even if they have a sub-.500 season.
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    You mean like Tony Dungy:rolleyes:
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    So you would risk a sure bet with millions of $$$$ where you have control over your job for something else that you're not completely comfortable with? It seems like Petey wasn't offered full control with these NFL jobs so why risk losing millions of $$$$ to prove to some that you are an NFL coach. I wouldn't do it, especially if I had proven to be a great defensive coordinator in the NFL with consistent top five defenses in the past.
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