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    Officially, I think it was wrong, but unofficially, I am laughing at the visual.
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    Man Steeler trolls are the worst, huh?

    ;)
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    Time to sue.
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    When we were playing the rams in the SB when I was in high school, a kid wore a Tory Holt jersey, and he got crap too, its going to happen when your in an area of fan support of a team in the area ie. the pats...

    I’m not saying that its a good thing that the kid is in the news, but he must have wanted some attention to where that jersey, i know that’s why the kid in my high school wore his Holt jersey...
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    That kid need to grow up and stop whining. I don't where the teacher did anything wrong.:rofl:
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    It's one thing for fellow students to give you a hard time because you don't follow the pack. It's a completely different thing however for a teacher to pull something like that. I have a teacher pull something like that with my son and it's lights out.
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    If I read the article correctly, it was a class on ethnicity, which supposedly deals with issues of prejudice, bigotry, etc. That was the point of the teacher doing what he did, to show how people feel when singled out.
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    Well, I guess if every student is subjected to it, then so be it.
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    Yeah, you are sleeping in the car now for sure pal!!:mad:

    I want to hug that kid..... Things like this are the reason that I get so ticked off at trolls, Sox haters and those who throw daggers at BB. I wish the kid had the strength to say "no" when the teacher told him to sit on the floor. Being treated like that is humiliating. And what is worse is that Elway has two rings and the Steelers have not won the SB since before that kid was born. If anyone treated my niece that way.......OMG would there be hell to pay!
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    The kid should stop whining and just be glad he doesn't go to school in Philly.....
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    just as long as the car is in the parking lot.
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    From the link....

    "We'll take whatever action we need to in order for the student to feel comfortable," Nugent said.

    How about firing that teacher. That would be a good start.

    I'm sorry but some of this sensitivity training stuff goes way over the top to make their points. This is flat out mental abuse and it shouldn't stand.
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    Ok, so it was a "Ethnicity" class - the teacher seems to have used an allegory of some kind, using Sports Fanaticism in place of Racism, to give his class a lesson on irrational hatred and dicrimination. Hopefully the kids learned some valuable life lessons due to this exercise, in the way some minorities in this country have treated in the past, and in some instances still are - whether it's black-on-white discrimination, white-on-black discrimination, white-on-asian discrimination, black-on-asian, etc...

    Sounds like a pretty decent teacher to me. Unfortunatly it sounds as if the student missed the point completely because he's a whiny little b**tch... :p
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    HAHA, you got me there......

    Seriously, you wouldn't be spitting fire if that happened to Lilnut?? Come on, I know there is a big softy under that chiseled phisque...:rolleyes:
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    Or they could just jack the kid up with some feel-good wonder drug, so he can feel Comfortably Numb, until such time as he decides he wants to go on a shooting rampage at his school... :eek:
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    More hard lessons need to be taught. This is a good start. However, to keep the balance, and to remind everyone that it was a lesson rather than an endorsement, I would have given the kid the rest of the class off (or the next off).

    But to coddle a 17 year old like this? That's doing far more damage than not.
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    Seriously, the "lesson" idea was just the teacher's lame-ass excuse after the fact. If he had genuinely intended this as a classroom exercise the kid would have been a confederate who knew beforehand what was going to happen. And the lesson would have been about how easily we can get talked into picking on a minority group member, not "look at how we reduced your classmate to trembling misery and made him fail his test!"

    As is, it's the equivalent of teaching a "lesson" in a class on on non-violence by beating a kid up. The teacher was wildly out of line.
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    Typical Stiller fans, they have no class... Not to many from pa do ....I could say that Im from Pa
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    Actually my 11 year old wore his Tom Brady shirt to a school in Suburban Philly
    on the Friday before SB XXXIX which was Eagles Pride Day( 300 Eagles fans and 1 Pats fan). I told him beforehand that if any teacher gave him abuse, he should reply that it was his constitutional right to free speech to wear the shirt.
    One teacher started to give him crap but stopped when he asserted his rights....
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    I agree 100%. That was just an excuse the teacher made. You don't teach class lessons during midterm exams. When I was in high school last year, we would walk in, sit, the teacher hands the exam, and we take it. Its not like he had a lesson prepared during a MIDTERM exam. How could he have known the kid was going to wear a Denver Broncos Jersey. If he really wanted to teach the kid a lesson, he would have talked to the kid before he prepared the lesson and see if he would mind participating in a skit.

    Also, its wasn't uncommon for some teachers to poke fun at students when I was in high school. However, usually the teachers that did poke fun knew their students really well and knew how they would respond. If this guy was any kind of teacher, he would know his students better.
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    The teacher should've been fired. And the kid should sue, for mental abuse. And, if he can, probably go for assault too for getting hit by the crumpled up papers.

    The classroom is a teaching environment, and you don't make an example out of anybody because they wear something different. There's a fine line between teaching "ethnicity" and downright humiliation.
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    You know, I could almost buy that sort of story--except that this happened during a test. That's another matter altogether (you don't teach a lesson during a test), and, in my book, unforgiveable. I don't know if it rises to an outright firing offense, but he definitely deserves to be punished in some non-trivial manner.
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    Umm... I don't see how any lesson could have been learned. When I faced it when I started school (the only American Indian in a small town school full of white kids) I didn't expect it... I think the kid learned a great lesson, and should be thanking the teacher - as should every other kid in the class...
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    I don't think he deserves being fired, either. If he DID indeed fail the test, that's a problem. But, maybe, just maybe, the teacher counted the experience as pat of the test and graded him accordingly? I'd like to know, because it seems some stuff is missing from the story, IMHO...
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    There is a difference between learning a lesson and being outright humiliated. There are much better ways to get through to students and teach a lesson rather than having them sit on the floor and having the class throw paper at him. You must admit that the whole "lesson" thing was an excuse. Aren't teachers supposed to have "lesson plans". I don't think he had one prepared on midterm exam day nor knew that the kid was gonna wear a broncos jersey. Now, the kid will probably get picked on for the rest of the year because this incident go to the media.
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    The teachers big mistake was not taking the kid aside and telling him what he had in mind, and get the kid to go along with it. If he could get the kid on board, then his experiment would have been fine.

    But, if he didn't, the teacher is not very bright.
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    If the teacher wanted to "teach a lesson" he should have been the one to wear the Broncos jersey and after about half the class asked what the kids thought about him wearing it. Should he have humiliated an African American or Asian to "teach" since it was an ethnicity class? That would have been OK? The teacher thought he was being funny plain and simple. The kid probably got enough crap from other students and didn't expect the teachers to be part of it too. He shouldn't be fired but a suspension (without pay) and a mark on his record would be appropriate. If another student was caught by the principal doing this to another student they would be reprimanded in most school systems. Shouldn't we hold our teachers to a higher standard? If the teacher wanted to make a comment he could have just made some kind of tasteful joke and left it at that. There are plenty of example of real bias and bigotry in the world that the teacher, as he claims, doesn't need to manufacture more over football.
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    Somehow this has turned into a debate about the limits of "sensitivity training." But IT WAS NOT SENSITIVITY TRAINING. It was never intended as a lesson. It was not part of the curriculum. It was simply the teacher's idea of a joke.


    Kelly defended his actions, saying he had warned students not to wear a team jersey other than the Steelers to class. The teacher claims he was "just messing around" with the boy.
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    "It was silly fun. I can't believe he was upset."



    Does that sound like a guy who intended to teach a painful lesson about racism? Not to mention that this was during a midterm exam. Which the student, not surprisingly, failed.

    Here's a description of the event. Keep in mind that the teacher said "It was silly fun. I can't believe he was upset." Then contemplate...this man teaches courses in prejudice and tolerance?

    Vannoy claimed Kelly grabbed him by the neck of his jersey when he tried to sit in his chair and told him he would give him a zero on the exam if he didn't sit on the floor. Kelly told the 12 other students that part of their midterm was that they had to throw paper at "the stinking Denver fan" – or lose points.
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