Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by kmac14, Aug 23, 2009.
From USA Today:
soon alcoholic beverages will be illegal at public sport functions
u heard it here first
I'm afraid you're absolutely right. Another intrusion by Big Brother into our lives...and this coming from a non-drinker.
I literally can not drink with the medication I am on, and this pisses me off so freaking much. I hate any kind of big brother type scenarios, and I am a Marine... lol used to people telling me what to do...
I have wondered to myself in the past, "How could prohibition have ever happened? That's just silly".
Well... now I'm seeing the seeds of it. This whole use of the word "binge drinking" annoys me. Anyone who drinks enough to be drunk is "binge drinking" and the negative connotation makes it a bad thing. Guess what? I'm an adult. I can choose to be drunk.
Heil, mein FÃ¼hrer Goodell!
All this means to me is that, before I start tailgating, I start drinking hard liquor either at the house or a bar, THEN I go and tailgate and switch up to beer. There's really no way that the NFL can control how drunk a fan gets outside of the stadium so this is a really ridiculous notion. Baddell is just trying to be a control freak.
Rediculous. What has happened to the concept of "personal responsibility?"
Government at all levels seems determined to protect us from ourselves, to make certain that everyone can claim to be some form of "victim" in order to escape being responsible for their own choices, their own actions.
So you buy a bigger cooler to fit more beer in to have before the game and you sneak a few nips in, whats the big deal? I'd rather do that anyways then buy the watered down $8.50 beers
Personal responsibility? Huh? What's that?
This is insane. Jolly Roger shouldn't be trying to control the customers. What's next? Noise control?
How does he propose monitoring the private lots off site?
Why doesn't he just force all patrons to take a breathalizer before entering the stadium, that would solve this "problem".
I doubt it. They'll probably ban bringing your own coolers to your tailgate party.......but gladly sell you 2 at a time for 9 bucks a pop.
Our CFL team has a 2 beer limit on single purchases and our laws don't allow for tailgating. Still plenty of hammered people at the games and it doesn't make the games any less fun. I don't know how the NFL plans to police tailgating though. I imagine that the stadiums don't ridiculously intoxicated fans in for the games anyway?
They just limited tailgating and drinking in the parking lot at Gillette Stadium to three hours for the Kenny Chesney concert last Saturday. You were let in the stadium early (for an extra $55) but weren't allowed to drink until 1pm for a 4pm show.
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Not that I'm in favor of this, but one, what does this have to do with government?
And two, I visit three or four NFL stadiums each season. Foxboro used to be wild, but Buffalo and the Jets games are still totally out of control.
WHat do you guys suggest? If I'm an owner, I have every right to want to crack down on drunken, puking, violent, crazies?
I had an extra ticket for last year's Buffalo-New England game and invited my father-in-law along. Boy, he was not ready for a rowdier than usual crowd (rowdier cause the win was blowing 70 mph). It was a madhouse, and these were not the cheap seats.
I wish everyone could consume their 4 or 5 beers and be done with it, but people are totally out of control. And stupid. Because there are many hundreds of DWI arrests after the game. A huge amount of people.
I agree you can choose to be drunk.
You can not choose to drive drunk.
The policy they really should have is for every car that drives into the parking lot all the passenagers over 21 are given one colored bracelet. The driver and all persons under 21 are given another color. If you are under 21 or the driver and you are caught with an alcholic beverage you can watch the game from the foxoboro lockup.
I fully support your right to be totally blitz on your couch at home in front to the TV.
Yeah Big Brother isn't a multi-national corporation trying to protect its public image against the retarded drunk manchildren who do their best to ruin every game for those around them.
Big Brother = Government, not a private entity like the NFL.
You can drink all you want at Sunday, just not at an NFL game if they so choose and that is BECAUSE of our rights in this country, not in spite of them.
What about the off-site parking lot across the street? I'm going to the opener with a group and we were planning on tailgating all day.
This is too funny.
It is always amusing to see the defense of public drunkenness, public violence and drinking while intoxicated. It is if there is a constitution right to be a public idiot at a private function and an associated right to bother others and endanger their bodies and their lives.
I also think that this is a step towards barring alcohol at sports events. The key is the public image of sporting teams and owners. Yes, they are willing to trade the alcohol revenues for a better image.
With regard to parking lots not owned by the sporting team, that is an issue for the local police, or not, depending on whether laws are being broken.
Perhaps teams would like a change in image as is happening to Las Vegas (less than half of casino revenues are from gambling). Perhaps they would like to avoid the image of their fans as a bunch or drunks shouting obscentities. Perhaps they would like to avoid putting jails within their stadiums as they once did in Philly.
In the end, we are NOT talking about any RIGHTS here. No one, I repeat NO ONE, has a right to drink at a sports event. We don't even have a RIGHT to drink and smoke at home. The government has chosen NOT to have prohibition of cigarettes and alcohol, primarily because such a prohibition is unenforcable and like the prohibition of marijauna has more negative effects than positive ones. The government would indeed ban cigarettes and most alcohol if they could enforce such bans. The health care savings would be enormous.
I disagree, If it comes down to the point where the Govt is legislating me to not have a cigar on my backyard deck with a Margarita or cold one , you can pry my cold dead hands off the lighter and bottle opener.
I know you guys don't tolerate the occasional baseball sidebar that well, but... I went to a couple of ballgames this past week. After the 5th inning, it became almost intolerable to sit next to the booze hounds.
I like the Captain Morgan and Coke as much as the next guy. But I don't need drunken stooges yelling from their rears for half of a sporting event I spent money to watch. I suspect that is what happens a lot in many stadiums.
Whatever. I'll probably be retired by the time I get to see an NFL game live... maybe by then the new commish will be more "laissez faire".
There would be no dead hands, just jail if the laws changed where you live. If you live in a rural area on at least a couple acres, there would of course be no issue.
There are indeed those in Canada and the US legislating against smoking if the smoke can affect those in other apartments or homes. There are already jusrisdictions where you would be arrested for having that cigar in your backyard. In other jurisdictions, where there is no law against smoking in your backyard, you could still be sued if someone next door was allergic to smoke and could be shown to be harmed by the smoke.
There are millions that are celebrating the new smoke-free environments of restaurants and most public buildings.
I know it's annoying, but don't blame the NFL. Somebody gets drunk in a private parking lot before a game on their own booze and then hits someone on the way home, and who's to say the NFL won't be held liable? That's the reality of our society right know.
What if they had an accident in the parking lot or got into a fight in the parking lot and broke someone's jaw. The team would lose the lawsuit.
AMEN! Next thing - - no cell phones at games - -
People, get off your soapboxes about "Big Brother" and what this country is coming to with regards to personal responsibility and individual liberties. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any of that.
The NFL is a privately owned company choosing to tweak an operating policy at their venues out of the owners' prerogative to do what they want to maximize profits. What could be more American than the unchecked exercise of the free market?
It's not even really an issue of liability when it comes to drunk driving. That might be a contributing factor, but the primary reason for this policy change is their attempt to dictate a less rowdy, more family-friendly gameday environment, because those are the kind of fans you make the most money off of.
Think about it: your typical die-hard, tailgating oldschool football fan brings their own food to the game, their own alcohol, already bought their Pats jersey/sweatshirt/hat, etc. a couple years back, and if they weren't at the game, they'd be at home watching the game on TV.
They've already gotten a lot of the money they're going to get out of this guy, so all they get by having an entire stadium full of them is seriously increased costs when it comes to security, cleaning and maintenance, and traffic control.
Now, not only are drunk people are a LOT more expensive to deal with, they also tend to shock + frighten other patrons who present many more profit opportunities. You ever see parents with a bunch of little kids at games? The kids are usually walking around with armloads of the various souvenir crap their parents have bought them to keep them quiet.
Then they have to buy their kids the over-priced hotdogs and fried dough, and with all the stress they're under, what the heck, they'll indulge in a glass of premium-priced beer or wine. Of course the kids still get bored 3 times during the game, so the parents have to take them around to all the various alternate entertainment opporunities the new stadiums have, thus feeding that revenue stream.
Face it: as long as the NFL is the most popular sport in the nation, it's just better business to keep a revolving door of parents + dilettante yuppies coming in and out of their stadiums, buying crap they don't need, and requiring half the crowd control.
Heh. You can tell who the old men are in here. Guess what? Being loud and obnoxious and hooting and hollering is part of professional and college sports. If you have a problem with the guy who is doing it, either grow a set and tell him to STFU or alert the nearest security guard/cop and tell him to watch out for the "guy in 56C". These so called "drunkards" paid for their ticket as well and, last I checked, the consumption of alcohol is legal and it's the person's right to know when he or she has exceeded the limit. If the person can't tell when that has happened then he or she should be escorted out of the game (she shouldn't be allowed to leave until she flashes the crowd though). Worried that the person is going to drive drunk? That's what better judgment is for. If better judgment does not exist then that's why cops chose the career field that they are currently in.
Prohibition is a broken system. If the NFL honestly tries to enforce this, it's going to blow up in their faces big time as people are just going to drink more to ensure that they can keep their buzz throughout the game. As a side effect of that, alcohol sales will surely go down at the stadiums.
Prohibiting alcohol at sporting events will not blow up any more than prohibiting cigarettes in restaurants.
In all honesty, other than knocking a half an hour off the tailgaiting in the Patriots' owned lots, how does this affect us. Gillette already has a two beer per purchase limit and a 4 hour before the game tailgating start time. They only sell 20 ouch beers except in the club seats where I think they still adhere to league guidelines for winee and hard alcohol. The new league rules only knocks a half an hour off the tailgating times. The Patriots already have some strict policies in place when it comes to alcohol and the league rules are not much more stringent.
I know people love to bash Goodell and many times it is for good reason, but I don't see anyone's game experience changing all that much with the new league rules. Besides, it isn't even a rule. It is a request by the league office to the stadiums to adopt this policy. It isn't a mandate by the league.
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