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  1. patsfan-1982

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    #1 Miami Dolphins Matt Ryan QB

    #2 St. Louis Rams Jake Long OT

    #3 Atlanta Falcons Chris Long DE

    #4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB

    #5 Kansas City Chiefs Ryan Clady OT

    #6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston DE/OLB

    #7 New England Patriots Derrick Harvey DE/OLB

    #8 Baltimore Ravens Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB

    #9 Cincinnati Bengals Glenn Dorsey DT

    #10 New Orleans Saints Leodis McKelvin CB

    #11 Buffalo Bills Malcolm Kelly WR

    #12 Denver Broncos Sedrick Ellis DT

    #13 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah OT

    #14 Chicago Bears Branden Albert G

    #15 Detroit Lions Rashard Mendenhall RB

    #16 Arizona Cardinals Aqib Talib CB

    #17 Minnesota Vikings Kenny Phillips FS

    #18 Houston Texans Quentin Groves DE/OLB

    #19 Philadelphia Eagles Keith Rivers OLB

    #20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Kentwan Balmer DT

    #21 Washington Redskins Mike Jenkins CB

    #22 Dallas Cowboys Limas Sweed WR

    #23 Pittsburgh Steelers James Hardy WR

    #24 Tennessee Titans Chris Williams OT

    #25 Seattle Seahawks Jonathan Stewart RB

    #26 Jacksonville Jaguars Phillip Merling DE

    #27 San Diego Chargers Brandon Flowers CB

    #28 Dallas Cowboys Antoine Cason CB

    #29 San Francisco 49ers Gosder Cherilus OT

    #30 Green Bay Packers DeSean Jackson WR/PR

    #31 New York Giants Dan Connor MLB

    will thats my mock tell me what yous think
     
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    If tha draft ended up like that both Cincy & No (maybe even more teams) would be calling to move up for Dorsey. I could even see a Team wanting to get Ellis there as well. Theres a Huge drop off after those two DT's. I dont think Harvey would go #7 but no one believes me that Groves could go #7 so who am I to judge lol.
     
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    I like most of your picks. Except ours!! Give me a cb if I can't trade out. I like how you put players to teams where they may have been looking for something else. But, a player too good to pass up. IE K.Rivers to Philly. They love to draft linemen. But, he would be too good to pass up. SD has two outstanding corners. Cromartie and Jammer. No, 2nd,3rd or 4th round picks. I see a S there. K.Phillips or R.Smith.

    I think Minny desperately needs a de. And, I think P.Merling is a better prospect than Phillips. Steelers need OL help desperately. If C.Williams is there. They will sprint to the podium and draft him.
     
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    Patsfan1982 -
    I don't believe that Harvey is a good fit for the 3-4 OLB position on the Pats. He's not very explosive as a pass rusher, he's only played with his hand down, and he doesn't have good ability to drop back into coverage, though he does have height and long arms.
     
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    Wow I can't believe I am agreeing with you, but you are quite correct on this one.

    Here's what I had to say elsewhere about Harvey:

    Harvey projects more as a 4-3 defensive end than a 3-4 OLB. He is also significantly slower than either Gholston or Groves. Further cementing his role as a down lineman.

    Stats: 6'4 271 lbs, 4.84 40y, 1.59 10y. He has enough speed for a DE, but not enough speed where I could see him playing in space, like OLBs are expected to, without getting abused.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...Name&order=ASC

    And if you're thinking of taking him as a DE for the Pats, he's 20-30 lbs too light and fighting an uphill battle for playing time with Seymour and Warren. The Pats are not going to spend a 1st rounder on an undersized backup.
     
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    Not only is Harvey too light, but the Pats already are 5 deep at DE. I just don't see it happening.
     
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    i was thinking Quentin Groves or drc but if harvey can play standing up at LB hes got the size to be the next willy mac thaks for all the replys and info
     
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    From your mock, I'd think one of these 4 would be enticing to someone for a trade-up to #7:

    #8 Baltimore Ravens Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB

    #9 Cincinnati Bengals Glenn Dorsey DT

    #10 New Orleans Saints Leodis McKelvin CB

    #12 Denver Broncos Sedrick Ellis DT


    Also, based on the available players, I'd choose one from these 3 after the Pats trade-down:

    #18 Houston Texans Quentin Groves DE/OLB

    #27 San Diego Chargers Brandon Flowers CB

    #28 Dallas Cowboys Antoine Cason CB


    Similar to other's opinions of Harvey, I doubt he's a complete enough player to take at #7.

    Appreciate the effort.
     
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    harvey n.7?
    but is he your brother?:D
     
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    I don't like Harvey at #7 either. Groves would be a better selection than Harvey. Selecting a CB would make me want to throw up because they could have signed Samuel who is a proven corner.
     
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    Charles Woodson (4)
    Champ Bailey (7)
    Terence Newman (5)
    DeAngelo Hall (8)
    Pacman Jones (6)

    Corners picked in the top 10 of the past ten drafts. 100% success rate (thuggery aside). If the best Cornerback in the 2008 draft is as good as any of these, I wouldn't hesitate to make the selection.

    I agree though that if the Pats wanted to pay $7.5m per season for a corner, why not just resign Asante for $9m per and get the sure thing and use the pick on another position.

    I'm a little conflicted. If we can't trade down from 7 or up from 62, do we really throw caution to the wind and wait to find our #1 corner until the end of the second and/or early third? We may be getting the ninth and tenth best CBs in the draft doing this. Do we draft OLB or LT at #7 and pray we can trade up in the second to get a Porter/Cason/Flowers?
     
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    No, they couldn't have. But, too many people fall for the numbers that are thrown out by the agents without realizing that many times its the absolute MOST that the player can get if he hits every escalator and bonus possible in his contract.

    For instance, Peterson's contract had a 1 million escalator for 2000 yards during his rookie season (translates into an extra 1 mill per year over the final 4 years on his contract) and 1 million for 20+ TDs (again another 1 mill per year over the final 4 years of his contract). That's 8 million of the 40.5 million that Peterson won't be seeing.

    Samuel, on the other hand, will have a much higher contract number for his first year. Probably in the 5 to 6 million range compared to about 2.4 for the #7 pick.
     
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    Not sure if you are forgetting anyone else, but Antrel Rolle was drafted #8 in 2005 as a CB, even though he's moving to free safety next year. He's shown flashes, but hasn't been a stud.
     
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    Fair enough. I did a search under CB at NFL.com. Both Rolle (8) and Carlos Rogers (9) from 2005 list as DBs.
     
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    Couisn,
    Rather swap out of the first somehow with the Raiders. If the Raiders sign D. Hall they will let go of Huff or Aso. They can't afford to sign Aso and keep Hall and Huff( at $6.43mm). I'd take Aso for the #7 or swap picks upward to get Huff.

    Hows this for a "what-if"?????Swap our #7 and our two third rounders to the Raiders for their first rounder and Huff and his 85 tackles and 14 PD (they will try to keep Aso if they can move Huff and put Aso at FS if they have too) This puts us in Jerry Jones, McFadden sweepstakes.

    We take the Boys first two for our brand new #4. That has a value of 1,800. Their first two have a value of 1,480 now throw in Bobby Carpenter. 6' 2" ,4.63 speed and a great ST guy who can play inside and out and has the desired BB "sperience". He can start.

    Now pick up a Cason and Talib or a Godfrey at CB (CHOOSE 2).

    Summary. The Boys get McFadden at a realistic value. They can keep Barber too which would have been a demand, and got a reasonable deal on Carpenter.

    The Raiders get our #7 plus two thirds (they swapped their 2nd to Atlanta) so they have gotten D.Hall, a solid top ten first rounder, freed up some money potentially and got two third rounders.

    The Pats get SS Huff (or Aso), ILB Carpenter (better upside that Seward IMO as he is faster) and two first rounders to go with a second rounder for draft day one. They can cherry pick either Groves and a CB or two CBs.

    Now day two in the fourth they can go for Sanford Keglar, LB from Purdue or perhaps TE Carlson from ND who is dropping.


    I see a draft day as Huff and Carpenter in trades.

    Round one:
    Groves DE/LB

    Talib (Cason) CB

    Round two:
    Cason (Godfrey) CB

    Round three:
    None

    Round four:
    Carlson TE

    Round five:
    Keglar LB

    Round six:
    Dexter Jackson WR/KR (KR specialist and runs pattern like Branch. Good slot back up for Welker with 4.32 speed)

    Round seven:
    Cory Boyd RB (best receiving RB in the draft. Big at 214 lbs, fast at 4.41, Can actually run through the tackles. Younger bigger Faulk).

    Why not?
    DW Toys
     
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    Why would Huff be at 6.43 Million? Did he make some escalators or something that gave him a 4 million increase in pay? From what I can find, Huff stands to count 2.5 million against the cap. If you have other supporting information, please provide it.

    Here is some information on Huff's deal:
    7/24/2006: Signed a six-year, $43 million contract. The deal includes $15 million in guarantees and $20 million in incentives. 2008: $445,000, 2009: $945,000, 2010: $5.75 million, 2011: $1.945 million (Club Option), 2012: Free Agent

    Now, I know he received an extra 1.75 million in 2006 and 11million in 2007 as part of his guarantees. But, unless he's getting a MAJOR pay increase this year, he's only going to count about 2.5 mill against the cap.


    I think this is very poor value for the Patriots. Extremely poor as a matter of fact. The Raiders have been actively shopping Huff around and no one has taken them up on it. There's a reason. Maybe because they don't need him at SS, but that they need a FS. A place they are thinking about moving him to. Or, it could be that he just doesn't fit their system.

    One HUGE issue you overlook is the length of contract. You've already screwed the Pats out of two 3rd round picks by over-paying to move up to 4 (which isn't a great as you make it out to be). Now you want to screw them again by having the Cowboys underpay for the #4 pick? Most people think that both cowboy's 1st rounders and carpenter is the equivalent of #7.

    Remember the Top 16 picks in the 1st round can sign a 6 year deal. The bottom 16, 5 year deals and all the others a max of 4 years.,

    Also, you are making a huge assumption that Carpenter can start. He's not earned the starting job in Dallas. Akin Ayodele is not some great player by any stretch of the imagination. If Carpenter can't beat him out, then who can he beat? No, I'm not sold on Carpenter at the price you want the Pats to pay.

    Summary: All these trades you propose only weaken the Pats because, in the end, they didn't get fair compensation. The Raiders are talking about moving Huff to Free Safety because they feel he's a better fit there. So, how does that help the Pats at Strong Safety?

    Also, you claim that the Raiders "free" up money, but I'm not sure how you figure that considering that Hall wants a mega-deal and that Huff isn't at the 6.
    Bobby Carpenter - 40: 4.65 3 cone: 6.88 Shuttle: 4.31
    Adam Seward - 40: 4.60 3 cone: 7.17 Shuttle: 4.17

    How is Carpenter faster than Seward?

    Also, Dexter Jackson isn't going to last until the 6th round. He'll be gone at the end of round 3 or the beginning of round 4.

    As for your description of Boyd, how about mentioning the fact that he was suspended for the entirety of 2005. Supposedly doesn't like "hard coaching". That being said, if he passes the Pats interviews, he might be worth a 7th rounder.

    Also, as an FYI, the league changed it so that the 1st day is ONLY the 1st and 2nd rounds now and the rest of the draft takes place on day 2.
     
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    Any idea why they decided to cut the 3rd round out of the 1st day? Were they just not getting enough ratings or what? I would think only draftniks pay much attention to the draft. What's the benefit of cutting out the 3rd round from the first day?
     
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    They wanted the first day, and the entire draft to go faster. To accomplish this they not only chopped the first day down to 2 rounds, but they also lowered the time period each team is on the clock.

    Now teams in the first round only have 10 minutes on the clock, instead of 15, and in round two teams will only have 7 minutes, instead of the previous 10 minutes. The Draft also starts at 3pm on Saturday, instead of it's usual 12 noon, as the NFL wanted to make it more of a Primetime event.

    In rounds 3-7 the previous 5 minutes per selection remains in tact, but they moved the starting time from 11am, down to 10am.
     
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    Not sure how you figure it, if Huff is too $$ and doesnt fit them wouldnt he be basically in the same boat here? You cant sell me on Carpenter, and I have been suspect of ALL OSU LBs, they all seem to come out a bit over rated. Gholston was rated like 8-10 before the end of the season where the off the field stuff has kicked in.....While I think at least 1-2 trades should happen in the first 7 picks, remember the time has been cut down so I would be willing to bet alot of GMs will have trade scenarios set up before the draft so teams will know which phone calls to take.
    And as far as CBs goes, we have drafted our new Secondary coach #1, and he should be able to make the difference up we hope.
     
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