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Moss trade GENIUS no matter how it works out

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  1. AndyJohnson

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    No matter how this ends up, getting the potential of what Moss could be here for a 4th rounder is genius.
    Moss MUST come in, shut up, and play hard. If he does, it was the steal of the decade, if he does not, we lose a 4th.

    The potential for this offense is scary. Moss and Stallworth will open up the deep and intermediate game like we have never seen here. What you may not get with them, (the Branch/Brown underneath routes with rac) comes from Welker, Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson, and/or Washington.
    Oh, and what does this open up for the freakish receiving ability of Ben Watson?

    The threats of receivers probably does more for Maroney in the running game than upgrading the OL would have.
    The potential of this offense is the scariest I've seen in Pats history.
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    Completely agree. :)
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    boy you are not joking. I am just simply in awe...I love Asante but all his shanaigans takes a back seat for awhile...I mean....Randy Moss is a patriot..along with Wes Welker,Adalius Thomas, Donte Stallworth...

    ?Pinch me.
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    I would only add "in a draft where BB/Pioli clearly don't like the talent available."

    I'm pumped & jacked for what this O might be able to do to defenses next season; it not only stretched the field, but it also opens up "the box" and the potential for Maroney to use his speed to go 40+ yards.
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    #75 Jersey

    I hate Moss and I can't find fault with this deal.
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    #75 Jersey

    Never thought it would happen. If he comes in, becomes a team player, and plays to his ability, this is a steal. He should do that for one year anyway to win a ring.
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    I think the player who could benefit the most is David Thomas. The guy is a perfect underneath WR. Too bad he is injured right now because he could really have a great year as our number 2 TE. I think he works hard enough to beat out Kyle Brady, though his lack of size is an issue as far as blocking TEs go.
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    He might be Corey Dillon II. I remember watching one of the college allstar games in January, and they interviewed him in the box. I remember thinking, wow, this guy acts more mature than I thought he would be. His comments were all about wishing he had a chance to go to a winning team, his ultimate goal is to win a championship before he retires. I started watching and listening to the interview wanting to turn off the sound, and finished listening and being very impressed. BTW, Andre Ware was one of the guys in the booth, and he looks to be a bright star as a commentator for the future.
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    My sentiments exactly.
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    I am not a Moss lover, but with all the big time leaders here, and our penchant for winning a lot his ego will be neutralized and I suspect he just wants to get along for a ring... This O is incredible, we are giving a lot of D coordinators headaches right now.
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    So the Patriots traded their first round pick for 49ers 1st pick next year and Randy Moss, and the pick will likely be mid-early in the round. Definetly a steal.
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    From PFT: "Mort says that Bill Belichick got the green light from his veteran leaders to get their approval on Randy Moss."
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    wow, dont know what else to say:singing:
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    Yup

    For our DAY ONE draft picks, we got

    Meriweather
    Moss
    Welker
    a mid level 2008 1st and
    a high level 2008 3rd

    So far today we have
    Brown a backup DL (needed unless you are comfortable with Hill)

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    And BTW, as with Dillon, I actually have enormous respect for Randy Moss. He gets pi$$ed off with coaches and teammates who don't do what it takes to win. When he thinks the team is trying to win, he is the first on the practice field, the first in the film room, and last out. He is a LEADER is the huddle and in the locker room. He kicks butt! Against this backdrop, he is also one of the top few wide receivers in football. He is an instant mismatch for anyone not named Champ Bailey. He always takes a double team. He also runs a 4.295. Please read this again!! He was timed by GB and NE earlier this month. He runs a 4.30 and UNDER.

    Randy Moss wanted to play for exactly ONE team, the patriots. He would only redo his contract to play for us. bb checked with his veterans before bringing him in.

    This addition is absolutely HUGE. Some would say we were a few flu shots away from the SB last year. That is indeed true. I would also say that we weren't as good a team as SD. We have now replaced Branch and Givens with Moss, Stallworth, Welker, and Washington. We still have a potential player in Jackson. And there is still room for Brown if he wants to stay another year. bb owed Brady much more than last year's disasterous set of wide receivers, NONE of which was worthy of a double team.
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    We are now ready for the season. We will still add a couple of free agent jag linebackers, and a short yardage running abck. However, please note that compared to the playoffs, we have replaced Banta-Cain with Thomas, a serious upgrade.
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    We just draft a backup DL, an upgrade to Smith and Hill, one of which will now go.
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    We've brought in our future starting FS, who also is a fine nickel back! We brough in Tory James. These are immediate helps for our defensive backfield. Of course, we also expect at least some help in 2007 from at least one of Wilson, Harrison, Gay and Mitchell, none of which contributed much last year.
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    We have moved forward two picks to DAY ONE of the 2008 draft.
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    And BTW, we just might get some help from other seven picks for the rest of the day.
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    And yes, I do want us to trade for Turner.






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    good add... the only tweak I'd make there is "compared to players already on the Pats roster"

    I was really questioning where and how 8, 9, and 10 guys would make this roster ...esp. with the offseason that we've had.

    BTW: 5 first round picks in day one of Draft 2008?!?!?!?! AWESOME
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    Me too - well said, RayClay.
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    And Welker too on the crossing routes. And the middle is open for Ben Watson too.
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    Brady is going to throw deep this year. Even if Moss isn't the recipient of the catch, he's going to do so much decoying, it's going to open up EVERYTHING. Brady's recognition, on par with any quarterback's in this league, is going to spot these openings, making him more effective.

    And the running game should be more effective. No more John Lynch going after the quarterback, giving no thought to being burned deep. With our receiver corps, there's fear about giving up the easy score. So now defenses will have to play us seven in the box, four or more back when we have a running back behind Brady.

    Pick and roll for seventy yards. That's what Moss does so well, run for big yardage after the catch. Since when did Reche Caldwell suddenly become our "possession" receiver? He's, what, the fourth fastest receiver, running "only" a 4.40 40?

    I thought we had lived through the Golden Era of Patriots football--who'd have thought it's only going onto Phase Two!

    Sorry for the excessive enthusiasm, but I'm a fan since 1978 and NEVER have we had both the best DL and receiver corps in all of football.

    Some one pinch me: Is this real?

    P.S. This draft may in fact be weak, confirming our deference to Bellichek/Pioli's decision-making. We give them the benefit of the doubt not going after LBer help with the second first-rounder.
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    The thought of this year's offensive potential reminds me of the Patriots Football Weekly cover in the summer of 1996 with Bledsoe, Glenn, Coates, Jefferson, Martin, Megget, and Gash dressed in army fatigues and the headline "Bledsoe's weapons" or something along those lines.

    This year's crew would be even more scary.
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    Tom Brady just jumped up and down and high-fived Giselle!

    This is a low risk/ high reward move. I'm not a big Moss fan but if he can shut his mouth and play it will be the steal of the decade.

    In Bill I trust!
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    Oh please Mark, when he thinks the team is trying to win? That's not leadership if he joins the parade and waves a flag. Randy Moss has a long history of not doing what it takes to win, regardless of what others are doing on the team. If he goes out and works at the game the way we know he can, great, just don't soil yourself with excitement over "a team leader" who only puts in the effort when everybody else does. This has the potential to be a great deal, and it's low overhead, but it's only a great deal when he's here doing his job like a Patriot.

    EDIT: Cory Dillon had a reputation for playing hard even when the team around him failed to show up, there is no comparison.
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    I think the Pats did what they could to mitigate the risk, to the extent even of warning/enlisting "player leaders" in the decision. Obviously, Moss needs to understand he is a junior partner in this endeavor, although possibly will be a high producer.

    But I don't call it low risk/high reward... I would say moderate risk/high reward, in which they've done their due diligence not only in assessing risk but in mitigating it up-front, from both the interpersonal and contractual point of view (i.e., Moss not demanding his 10M to play for NE.)

    PFnV
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    Now matter how it works out?

    How about he ruins the team chemistry and they fail to make the playoffs because of it?
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    You mean like your quarterback badmouthing his O-line two years ago at the post-game press conference after they lost at home to the Steelers?
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    A fourth rounder is a low risk in my book. We'll see how his contract effects the cap. I'll let the money-men deal with that. (I'm a football fan who doesn't care much for the financial intricacies of the league so long as it doesn't prohibit the signing of a key player). I'm excited about the Moss trade! :rocker:
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    This will not happen. No way Belichick lets him be a bad influence in the locker room, with the depth we have at WR he will be cut if he so much as thinks of making trouble. If Randy Moss becomes a locker room cancer and they fail to make the playoffs because of it I will donate $1000 to Miguel's charity.
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    I hope your team can bounce back from Tom Brady shouting and pointing at his WR's last year after running the wrong routes and costing them, basically, another SB ring.

    Im not a Patriots hater and obviously think this move is a good one. OAK wanted a first rounder at the deadline last year and ended up with a 4th this year. If Moss can shut his mouth its a big win for NE
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    I'm sure there will be a lot less pointing and shouting at the WR's this season. Besides, that's not the reason the Pats lost last year. It was the soft middle of the defense. Don't forget the Pats scored a bunch of points against the Colts "D" as well.
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    People forget that during the Patriots 2001 Superbowl run they had a wide receiver who tried to ruin the team chemistry. Her name, Terry Glenn. She failed to keep the Pats from winning the prize and I have no doubt that Bill Belichick and the Patriot team leaders can handle Randy Moss.
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    I predict the pointing will be upward--to the Almighty--after NE scores TD after TD.

    The rest of the AFC should be purchasing truckloads of Depends, aka adult disposable undergarments, looking at the Pats on paper right now.

    All the AFC East teams had good drafts, except maybe Miami's inexplicable decision to bypass Brady Quinn, but what the Pats have done has definitely opened eyes across the league.

    Barring injuries, this team looks loaded to win now. Read the Don Banks column at SI.com.

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