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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    He nailed it. The o-line killed the offense. Brady can't throw when he isn't protected. No QB can.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    The O-line has been a noticeable problem in most of the Pats losses, going all the way back to the 2007 season. Neal is perpetually hurt, Kaczur is totally average on his good days and utter crap on his bad days and Koppen seems to be really struggling. Time for some new blood next year, hopefully BB will invest one of the 2nd rounders into an interior lineman or a RT.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Our OL sucks, especially at the tackles.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Light could be rusty. Kaczur is just crusty. I tried not to dislike his play but he is not nice.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    to be honest , earlier in the game in the 1st drive brady had a lot of time because of the run game. once they got behind it all blew up
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    The O-line isn't at fault, the play calling is.

    This game on the offensive side was way too eerily similar to how we got stuffed in the 07 Superbowl.

    Teams scouted us and knew our favorite tendencies, and stuffed them.

    Welker had 6 catches for only 30 yards. That pretty much tells you how predictable we were to the opposing defense.

    Don't go saying the Saints D-line was unstoppable or that their secondary was elite, the problems are with offensive play calling.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    I think this settles the argument that Vollmer is better than Light. By no means am I saying that we would have won this game if Vollmer played, but I am saying that Vollmer is better than Light.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Light was probably the 2nd best OL today. Not sure how much that says about him though given the ****fest that has been the OL lately.

    Someone care to explain why BB gave Kaczur an extension? I'd honestly rather have Levoir out there than Mr. Oxycontin
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    I give Light a pass for rust. Kaczur looks like a back up type player. Somene you would be happy to have as a No. 2 but not as a starter. Neal looks like a set of 50,000 mile tires with 150,000 miles on them. He's done.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Where are all the Kaczur defenders now?
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    KAczur is average that's why he got an average pay from the Pats..
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Light lovers can now go into a corner and :popcorn:




    Vollmer= STUD:)


    agreed... that him playing would not have changed outcome
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    I think the bigger issue is Koppen. He seems to be losing most of his one on one battle with DL. Teams seems to be collapsing the pocket from the inside.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Fans have been calling for a Kaczur replacement for years now.

    Why has everyone seen the need for a new RT except for BB and the front office? Same could be said about OLB's. And even though he fixed the secondary a bit, he was a year or two late on that as well.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    I, personally, have no intention of hiding in a corner. Would you care to put some facts behind your argument? O-line breakdown for each QB pressure perhaps?

    Its very easy for people on this board to watch a game at 'game speed', and then suddenly have all the answers. I would ask that people go back, and watch the game tomorrow, or weds, then comment with some facts.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    It's amazing that we can find flaws on a 7-4 team. I think we're just too used to them hitting every draft pick and nailing every random free agent pickup that we're amazed when we miss.

    I'll admit I've questioned our recent drafts but....hey, 7-4 is better than 1-9.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    No question that having Vollmer tonight would have helped the OL, not saying it would have made a difference but definitely would have helped
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    You nailed it! Smartest post game comment yet. Those new/rookie/old CB's are not that good. Great coaching and game prep enabled them to know what was coming. Coaching for the Pats was terrible. Peyton and his staff smoked BB and his. Plus the young D. hopefully next season Weis & Crennel are back. BB can't or won't do it all any more.
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    The game plan seemed OK at the start....run Maroney and chew up yardage and the clock...I liked it...Maroney sure liked it and Brady wasn't really rushed at that point...when it turned,as far as I'm concerned was Brady's first INT...he was forced out of the pocket and made a bad decision...from there, the Saints smelled blood...you could feel their defensive intensity go up a few notches.

    N.O. starting two corners who were out of football last week and watching them make huge play after huge play seems to go to Payton's breakdown of the Pats offense and his ability to get the D on the same page.

    Once the Dome started to rock and there was that momentum shift, it was all uphill from there. It's a team game...the better team won tonight. I don't usually dog a player unless it's obvious he's a POS, but after watching Kaczur out there looking like he was running in quicksand trying to block anybody, I think th Pats need to make a move NOW to solidify the right tackle position. I think BB will get this done since he usaully sees eveything far more clearly than I ever could. The rest of the gripes about Koppen and Neal...hey, it was a tough game for everybody...look at Wilhite's game...jeez...we won't see N.O. again this season unless it's on a neutral field....I'd like to see the Pats get another crack at them and Mr. Untouched Brees...whack Mr. Safety Kleen around a few times and let's see how HE responds.

    just my two cents...
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    i said that the rookie would take he's job and not light's job and a lot of guy's jumped on me to say he just got a new deal and he's the greatest thing since slice bread lol

    now we see he suck's i hope the rookie get's will soon we need him
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    Koppen shouldnt escpae blame either. He's dreadful, too small, and DL's are collapsing the pocket up the middle with only 3 or 4 guys. He had the technique to make up for his size a few years back but age is ctaching up with him

    Next season we badly need an OG, to resign Mankins and upgrade the C

    Oh, and we need a new OC
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    Re: MNF Recap :Jaworski blames the o line

    :agree: Good points.
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    Typical quarterback. The only players that matter are Brady Welker and Moss.

    Funny, the defense knows that too, maybe that's the problem with our offense from the second quarter on?

    If it's protection, and only two receivers matter, why not play some max protect, or keep a RB in instead of going five wide and getting nothing?

    Yeah, but I guess Moss and Welker were the keys to our great SB years....oh wait.

    Maybe instead of the line...must play...better! ... We could have a varied game plan that takes the pressure off and puts the defense on the defensive.

    Mr. Jaworski, Tom Ashworth and Brandon Gorin say hi.:rolleyes:

    By the way, do you think smart teams try to stuff Welker, like we stuffed Marshall Faulk in the SB, to throw off rhythm?

    I imagine our three man team of Brady Welker and Moss becomes easier to defense as the game goes on.
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    All these posters calling for a different game plan must have some plays up there sleeve that work when the defenses 3 man pass rush/8 men in coverage scheme gets pressure on the QB before he is even completed his drop as was happenning on numerous occasions last night. That is impressive knowledge on this board since there probably isn't an offensive coordinator in history who had plays for that scenario.

    Jaws is right about the line playing terrible last night. It probably wouldn't have meant a different result since if the Pats scored 60 the Saints would have scored 70.
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    It's axiomatic. When Maroney is your best offensive player, you are basically screwed.
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    I have been looking throughout threads this am to comment on and this in the one.

    Look, if Brady has protection we can at least compete better. The D will continue to need a lot of work, and maybe someone needs to instill a little bit of pride in these guys. Go out there and earn your paycheck. Now I don't know if this is a communication thing or a talent thing or a system thing. From what I can tell this year I honestly think we do have talent on defense, I am leaning more towards communication and system.

    Back to the O-line. What is Vollmer's status with the head. Brady has great talent...duh....he needs protection. Kazcur is not getting it done. Sorry fellow canuck but you have to sit for a bit. I would put Vollmer at right tackle. Brady needs protection and to treat all receivers the same. Throw to the open guy, like he always used to b4 Moss. Also get 12 back under centre and throw some screens, man I love that play and get your blocking to complement. Close to 50% shotgun? Come on man...At times we have had a fantastic screen game. I would love to se that used more often. You saw how pissed Kevin was last night. Get him in on these plays. 33 is an all-star, get that play back in the mix.

    Please, someone tell BB. Brady needs to be protected at all costs. We have issues all around this team but you can at least compete by giving 12 time to go to work. It is a proven fact that beating the patriots means getting to Brady.

    Donte needs to re-evaluate his line in the off-season and salvage what he can this season. Brady needs time to find the open receiver...

    ...it's on to Miami. And there is one thing that's for sure. Porter will be running his mouth at home, that team will be hungry at home, it will be loud and noisy and hostile and Brady seems to have trouble there. Say what you will but a win there is a quality win in my books and will be a good rebound and may be a bit of medicine and provide a bit of confidence that this team needs. I like the fact we are going against Miami in Miami this week. Please boys make a statement down there.

    Protect your qb.....
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    That's just how important Neal is to this line. Remember last year how the OL looked in the early part of the season. Then Neal comes back in the Denver game and they turn it around completely.

    Our first drive was brilliant with Neal in there, then he gets injured and the Saints get pressure on Brady without trouble.

    I also think Volmer has to start once he is safe to play. I don't know who comes out, but he was playing way too good to have both Light and Kaczur in over him.
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    Uhhh...Neal went back in the game in the 2nd quarter so your theroy that Stephen Neal makes the OL makes no sense.

    When Vollmer comes back, Kazur is out and probably Vollmer plays RT. Id like to see him at LT protecting Bradys blindside but Lights been a LT all his career, tough to move to RT now
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    Re: MNF recap: Jaworski blames the o line

    OL needs to be Light-Mankins-Koppen-Neal-Vollmer.

    They need to become a playaction passing team to have any chance this year. The 5 wide is great when you have 5 quality receivers, not so much when you have 2. Play to your strengths - two stud receivers, and a quality stable of backs. Problem is, I think, the defense can't hold up against the top offenses, and BB panics and wants to throw it all over the place.
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