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    You can quote small, salient portions of articles, but then you'd only be quoting Peter's somewhat logical musings...as opposed to actual news or earth shattering insight. Wayne and Garcon would be well served to wait and see where the QB who put them on the map lands. Whomever signs him will want to bring in at least some of his weapons to help sell the offense to their existing roster, and a team like Seattle could use multiple WR's. I could see Saturday following him as well depending. Or Tamme. Or Clark if Indy decides to part ways with him for cap purposes.
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    Certainly something for them to consider, though it raises the cost for any signing team (as well as the likelihood of success).

    They'd also need to think about what happens for them if Manning can't play -- would be a legitimate risk that they wind up with a bad QB, which would really suck if they took less $ to be there. (They should work a side deal w/Manning for him to cough up some of his dough to them if he's out :) )

    As for the Pats, doesn't matter much to me. I like Wayne if we also get Lloyd and Wayne is willing to take a financial deal that works for us. But if we get Lloyd, I'd prefer to see more $ then go to the defense.
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    That's overstated! better than them are on the WR market and i doubt Wayne or Garson ends up where Manning does.
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    If it is true, then the Jets are out of the running. No way can they afford to buy another FA WR this year on top of finding a way to make Manning fit.
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    Quotes are fine; copying & pasting entire articles isn't because it violates copyright laws and denies the original source web traffic and advertising revenue. That in turn places the site in financial jeopardy.


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    It's an interesting idea I started to think about when the other Reggie Wayne thread started, so I'm glad you found this article. I've heard of players following coaches (e.g., Bart Scott from the Ravens to the Jets; the Brandon Lloyd following Josh McDaniels rumors), but I'm just trying to think of any pair of free agents that have worked in tandem to go to one team?


    On a side note I don't understand why the Jets keep being listed as a potential landing spot for Peyton, or in this case both Manning and Wayne. I don't see how they have the cap space to pull it off, nor do I see Manning (a) going to a place where he'll likely be overshadowed by his younger brother, (b) wanting to play outdoors in a cold weather city, or (c) wanting to go to a team that was so dysfunctional last year. I think Manning's personality is such that he would have no desire to work for Rex Ryan or the big talkers on that team.
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    From the perspective of an NFL fan, I think it would be great if Manning went to Arizona ala Kurt Warner. Manning throwing the ball to Fitzgerald and Wayne on the Cardinals would be good for the NFL. Best yet, it would be out of the conference.
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    I am sure No Patriot Fan would like to see Manning throwing to Brandon Marshall in Miami.:scared:
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    Depends on what Manning is playing. If it's Manning playing like he's in his prime then no way do we wanna see him in Miami. But if it's Manning after 4 neck surgeries and near the end with declining skills/health then maybe it's not such a bad thing. Bottome line is that no one knows how well Manning will be able to throw next year.
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    Peter King loves these Free Agent Package deal rumors. He has floated rumors before that a WR and QB would sell themselves together like his rumor that Daunte Culpepper and Randy Moss selling themselves as a package in 2008 when they both were free agents.

    I think there might be a team or two who will look at Wayne if they are interested in Manning, but I wouldn't hold my breath that they both end up on the same team.
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    I am going out on a limb and say better than ever.
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    AFCE makes no sense unless he has no other options. But mediots say what sells. Manning isn't going to want to spend his hard fought for golden years battling Tommy and Bill outside in winter... And Miami is nearly as messy a situation as NY what with that owner and a lame duck GM and a new rookie coaching staff... He will ideally want to go to a situation where he at least has a clear shot at the division and a playoff berth. Washington could be a fallback although I doubt he really wants to compete against his baby brother (on the field or in the media) and again face the elements any more than he has to.

    Seattle is a lovely place to live and work I'm told if you can stand perpetual rain. Very supportive fan base but more laid back and less demanding that east coasters. Ditto the retirees down in AZ where the talent on hand and Wisenhuts track record with an aging vet would certainly appeal. Not sure the Bidwell's will spend, though. Always seems like pulling teeth with them. Even Houston might be a possibility if they swap Mario's contract for one for Manning. They could even flip Schaub for a nice draft pick in the process. He's never healthy long enough to get them where they want to go anyway.
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    I wasn't a fan of Wayne's potentially coming here anyway, so this doesn't bother me any. Just makes it even more likely that someone like Washington or Seattle gets them both, and even less likely that Manning ends up a Jet.
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    Culpepper and Randy never made any sense though. These guys actually like each other and have worked well in tandem for a decade. Randy and Fumblepepper had a brief interlude after which they became more like McNabb and TO...
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    Manning will retire before becoming a JET... He's smarter and has a lot more options than Favre did.
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    I can't imagine Manning playing for the Jets. They are a loud-mouth, classless bunch of soon-to-be has beens. PLUS, it's cold in New York in the late fall and winter and they have no dome--unless you count Manning's.
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    Is Manning going to be ready by the time free agency starts? Because Reggie can't just wait around for him and risk having to take a lowball one year deal somewhere.
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    Would it be considered....

    Pay Ton price and get Wayne Free?? :rofl:

    (that is referring to the 'pay one price and get one free' for those who don't understand
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    and hopefully make it harder to sign (or tag) Calais Campbell so may the Pats could snag him!
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    Manning doesn't have to be ready by the time FA starts. He just has to be confident he will be ready by the time OTA's or even camp starts and the team has to be ready to make the assumption. Most insiders say he will play, some say well too. He's on record saying he will agree to a deal that protect the investment of any new team who buys in, something he won't do for Irsay because Irsay is drafting his replacement.

    The new CBA delays off season conditioning at the facility as a group until April now. Ideally if he can throw at even 90% by May, and there is no risk in doing so because it's regeneration and not healing they are waiting on, teams can't begin organized team activities until then anyway. In the meantime he will be getting into his new teams playbook or adapting theirs to his. He doesn't need to be a full go until camp because that is when they will be working on implementing the playbook and working on timing. And that's when it may be important to have guys like Reggie on hand to help sell and explain the no huddle process to the other WR's. The routes and options themselves are fairly simple and straightforward and Manning does all the reading and makes the adjustments pre snap. I think any team that takes Reggie to pair with Manning probably could use a veteran WR either way.

    With the depth of this FA class and the new offseason scheduling I don't expect a lot of guys to be off the market in the first week. There will be a handful of big deals as always, then when the dust settles you will start to see more activity as we head into April and teams get to assess their own heading into another season and position themselves for the draft. There will still be lots of guys left looking to cash in post draft with the teams that didn't fill needs there. FA won't be as frantic as it has been because veterans lobbied for more recovery time and the trade off is it gives teams added time to ponder their options.
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    I heard Brady is planning to do this with Welker.

    Only thing is Brady isn't a FA so Welker has no choice but to stay :p
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    I agree that Culpepper and Moss never made sense. I think Manning and Wayne doesn't make sense either for different reasons.

    First, as others stated, Manning may not sign with a team for several months while teams wait to see if he is going to be able to return. Wayne is only going to maximize his deal if he gets signed late March or early April at the latest.

    Second, packaging himself with Manning limits his opportunities since some of his most likely suitors aren't looking for Manning.

    It is very possible that Wayne and Manning end up on the same team, but I expect Wayne to be signed long before Manning is signed and they won't be a package deal.
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    I think that this is one of the dumbest rumors of the off-season to date.

    As others have pointed out, the unlikelihood of finding a suitor that qualifies for need, want, cap situation etc all within a small window of time is pretty ridiculous-- in my opinion.

    Maybe the truth is that they'd both like to play for the same new team, but that should already be assumed by all.
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    Oh, I think Manning will be signed before the draft. Or else he will take a sabatical to the broadcast booth if not retire. Manning is going to sign with a team that is willing to take the risk in hopes it reaps the reward, and Manning is going to want to be into the playbook ASAP. Getting the message out that he'd prefer to go with Manning will just force other teams who need or want Wayne to up the ante and possibly force the team who signs Manning to counter.
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    The odds of Tom Condon allowing Peyton Manning to sit on the sidelines unsigned for months as every spare cap dollar gets spent and QB needy teams sign lessor guys and draft players is less than 0.00% unless he has decided he is going to retire. The Peyton sweepstakes will start the day Irsay announces they have released him. If he is healthy enough to throw for teams - great. If he isn't the message to teams is he is progressing on schedule, will be ready in time for 2012, and if you want him you better pay up now. Manning and Condon already proved in 2011 they have no problem stealing $ from a team when they had no idea if he could play.
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    Few days ago it was reported that Manning & Wayne were down in South Beach playing pass & catch. So let all speculation begin.
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    If Wayne wants to wait and see what Peyton does and then go play their on a cap firendly deal, I can see that as a possibility.

    If anyone thinks one of the 10 best QBs of all time and his super agent and either of their egos are tying where he signs to that team promising to also bring in a 34 year old WR in decline, well that is just plain dumb.
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    If the reports of his limitations are true, what is Condon going to get for him now? A veteran minimum contract with incentives? There could be a team stupid enough to gamble in the next few weeks that he is going to be healthy enough this upcoming season that he will throw like the old Peyton Manning (or close to it) and not pass like Peyton Hillis.

    Odds are that Manning could potentially get more money after the draft than right now. He is probably not going to get a huge contract now because no one knows for sure if he will play again, nevermind be close to what he was. He will likely break traditional reasoning and get more money closer to training camp when he can prove that he is still a viable franchise QB.
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    The only way he signs quickly is if he is truthful about taking a modest contract with whopping incentives. The rest of the league watched the Colts peiss away over $30 million in bonuses and salary on Manning last year when they got assurances that he would be ready for the season. Odds are another team won't be stupid enough to make that mistake again unless Daniel Snyder does.

    Manning had four surgeries, still can't throw, and many speculate he is done for his career. Most teams won't offer much upfront money and will pay him massive money in incentives. At least until Manning proves he is going to return to some semblence of his prior self.

    Is it possible for two teams to give Manning eight digit payouts to have him never play for either contract? I think teams are going to be more cautious after seeing Irsay's $30 plus million mistake on Manning.

    I think the only way he will get big up front money is if he accepts his signing bonus as a roster bonus that kicks in if he makes the final 53 man roster (which will be quickly converted to a signing bonus again to amortize the hit). The question is whether Condon would go for that. Otherwise, he may have to wait to cash in.
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    BTW, whether Manning signs right away or not still doesn't change the fact that packaging Wayne with Manning as a package deal doesn't make sense at least for Wayne. Wayne is going to be a sought after free agent and packaging himself with Manning only lowers his earning potential. He can still sign with the team that signs Manning, but being his own entity will allow him to play teams that aren't going after Manning with teams that are.

    These package deal rumors make no sense unless one or both of the players involved have little free agency value. Both Manning and Wayne are going to be top free agents. Assuming both are healthy, both will get top dollar on their own. As a package, they might have to take a discount.

    The only way a package deal makes sense is that Reggie Wayne wants to play with Manning even if it means he will take less to do so. Considering he has been upset with the Colts for years about his contract, I kinda doubt that is the case.
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