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  1. cstjohn17

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    Real or imagined, list them here... I will start.

    #1 Binkie Taylor Mays - S - USC (likely top 10 pick)
    #2 Binkie - Everett Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State

    From NFLDraftScout.com (pay site)
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    "2/30/08 - Deon Butler, Penn State's 5-10, 170-pound senior wide receiver, didn't hesitate when asked if he had ever come across a free safety as freakishly athletic as Southern California's Taylor Mays. "Never," Butler said of Mays, a junior who, at 6-3 and 230 pounds, looks more like a linebacker chiseled out of marble by Michelangelo. "Well, maybe in a movie. And I think you can create somebody like that on 'Madden.' "But in real life . . . nah, there can't be anybody else like him. He's a one-of-a-kind athlete and he looks the part." Even on a team densely populated with future NFL players, Mays - who almost certainly will play his last college game in Thursday's Rose Bowl against the Nittany Lions - inspires a rare kind of awe. USC defensive tackle Fili Moala carefully considered his options when someone asked about the most amazing thing he ever saw Mays do on a football field. "Saw the guy run a 4.29 [in the 40-yard dash]," Moala finally decided. "It's probably impossible to be that big and that fast, but he is." Mays said one of his role models at the so-called "next level" is veteran Eagles safety Brian Dawkins. "I've always admired his game," Mays said of Dawkins. "He's ferocious. That's something I try to bring to my own game. "I'd like to meet him and talk to him, to pick his brain about what it takes to be great at safety. I think that could be an interesting conversation." - Bernard Fernandez, Philadelphia Daily News"
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    As ayjackson pricelessly noted:
    Of course, I've already declared my binky, Mike Vrabel, Jr.--er, Connor Barwin. :D
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    is a binkie a guy you really want? please explain, im a little slow
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    Ah, this is a wonderful time in the binkie relationship, before any pesky details have to get in the way of our infatuations. :)

    A couple of candidates:

    Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama, 6'0" 190 4.50

    Not a physical freak like Mays, but has reputation for outstanding football IQ & leadership, plus well-rounded game with good ball skills. Smart, Saban-coached senior should be the "readiest" safety in the draft.

    Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane, 6'6" 296 4.90
    Draftcountdown: "Good size with a large frame...Great athleticism...Very light on his feet...Quick and agile...Excellent pass protector...Smart with good awareness...Good mobility to get to the second level and pull...Moves well laterally...Natural knee bender...Technically sound...Uses his hands well...Nice balance...Outstanding work ethic...Tough...Has a fire in his belly...Lots of experience...A team leader...Still has some upside."
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    Doesnt' it reference to something of security and want.. Like a blanket or thing you give a kid..

    Like I want my BINKIE..
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    I don't want to box it in, a binkie can be any player that you think would be a great fit for the Patriots or is generally likable.

    This is a player whose career you will follow for years, when their name comes up you will say:

    "Damn I wish we drafted that guy"
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    "Thank god I am not the GM, I would have drafted that guy"
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    has to be #58 on USC Mauleuga. hes incredible.
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    That's the best description I've ever read. It's the player you fixate on; the guy you have to somehow work into every mock draft; the guy who would make you dance around in glee if BB picked him.
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    I would love to see us pick Mays! Throw him in the lineup and its someone for the offense to keep an eye on, his size and speed are ridiculous(special teams?)! It would be crazy if he somehow fell to us...but theres always Cassel...
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    Without much research of any kind to be honest my early binkie would be:
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    Laurinaitis became a three-time AP All-American, and Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford and receiver Michael Crabtree joined him on the first team.

    Ohio State has a history of great linebackers from Hawk to Spielman and Tom Cousineau to Randy Gradishar. Hawk and Spielman were both two-time AP All-Americans.

    "When people throw my name in that group of players, I just laugh," Laurinaitis said. "It's extremely complimentary to be thought of in the same category."
    Laurinaitis is a rare 3-timer
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    Everette Brown is one of my binkies for this draft, and he said he's coming out for the draft today. He'd be a perfect fit as an all-around 3-4 OLB to groom behind Vrabel and Thomas. With him and Woods, the depth would be excellent too. I'm also a fan of William Moore from Missouri, who I think will be the best safety to come out of this draft if he declares, George Selvie out of USF, Jason Smith out of Baylor (who I watched a bunch this year, since they were on TV all the time), Max Unger from Oregon and Brandon Spikes from Florida. I'd be happy if the Pats snagged a few of these guys, especially Moore and Brown.
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    With very little research

    William moore SS

    Arron Curry OLB
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    My binkie is Clint Sintim of UVA.
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    Binkies aren't about research.

    They're like a little kid going to a shelter (or pet store) and falling in love with that puppy or kitten. No logic to it. :)
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    Good.. I'm glad not a ton of logic is needed... therefore I declare my Four binkies....

    Bear Pascoe -- TE -- Fresno State

    Nic Harris -- SS -- Oklahoma (!!! Oklahoma Homer alert !!!!)

    Juaquin Iglesias -- WR -- Oklahoma (!!! Oklahoma Homer alert !!!!)

    William Moore -- FS -- Missouri
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    Taylor Mays and Clint Sintim are my binkies! lol
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    I have a few binkies:

    with our 2 firsts, yes 2 after the Cassel trade, I want Brandon Spikes and Percy Harvin. Spikes is a beast and Harvin is yet anothe rplaymaker for our offense.

    I also want a top notch RT to protect # 12.
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    Aaron Curry from Wake Forest or Spikes from FLA
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    My binkies (in rough order):

    1. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest - best LB prospect this decade
    2. Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati - Vrabel-like versatility with more upside
    3. Greg Hardy, DE/LB, Mississippi - could possibly be another Willie McG
    4. DJ Moore, CB, Vanderbilt - may be best corner in the draft, great returner
    5. William Moore, S, Missouri - FS/SS hybrid
    6. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida - would be great with Mayo at ILB

    Spikes and Hardy haven't yet declared, but probably will.
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    Heck yeah, calf ropers from Fresno State always get a seat at the binkie table.
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    Want to say Heyward-Bey from Maryland but the Pats will never take him at #24 and he won't last long enough to take in the 2nd round. Can't have a Binkie with no potential for ending up on the team.

    So I'm going with Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech. If he kills at the combine and won't make it to #24 I'll go elsewhere but I'll stick with him for now.

    You can't teach 6'7" (tipped/disrupted passes and blocked kicks) and I think people are underestimating his potential for transitioning to a combo DE/OLB in the Pats 3-4. Dude was recruited as a TE so he has some ability to move in space. If (and it is a big if) the Pats can coach him up and he can add some more functional strength, he could be a monster.
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    Well, if he's going to be primarily a blocker, it looks like he's close enough to the correct hair color . . . but his all-important ugly beard potential looks questionable. :)
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    Re: Love thy Binkie

    I watched a recording I made of Miami @ GT and came away with a more favorable impression of Johnson than I had gotten from reading about him. He did drop in coverage on a RB, not to mention two PBU (1 for a pick 6), I also thought he was disruptive in the run game - but it was as a penetrator and not setting the edge. That said, I agree with Ochmed that he and Crable are very similar. I don't know that I'd spend a Day One pick on him as long as Crable is developing. I also have to wonder if any of his reported struggles this season derive from the new DC calling the shots at GT?
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    Beard? He don't need no stinking beard! He got eyebrows to ugly with!

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    You're saved, some butt scruff for you!

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    Re: Love thy Binkie

    Saw the same thing and it is a worry. He has shown the speed and leverage of a top pass rusher but either didn't use/doesn't have a bull rush. Same for the running game, but I'll give him a pass here because very few teams ask their stud DEs to engage blocks and seal the edge.

    If you could draft Ed Reed, would you spend 2 seconds checking your depth chart at safety? Particularly at linebacker for the Pats, you can't have enough good young talent. If Johnson projects as an OLB in the Pats scheme and his deficiencies (strength, motor) are fixable, I don't see how you can pass on him. I know that if he is sliding into the 20's on draft day, it will be exactly like 2004 with Wilfork for me.

    IMO the Tech defense this year just wasn't very good. Same dynamic with Will Moore playing for a pathetic Missouri defense.
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    Re: Love thy Binkie

    Nope, he's your binkie, but bad analogy: Ed Reed was a Free Safety drafted to play Free Safety. Further, he was the #1 FS with a stock rising arrow for NFL Draft Scout when I check their archives. Johnson is their #3 DE, that makes him a nice prospect, but one who still needs to transition to a new position at the next level. I like the kid, but OLB is lower on my needs list and nothing I've seen or read makes him a sure All-Pro OLB - not the way I expect BB to spend his 1st round pick.
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    This is a great explanation as patchick noted

    section 1: Greg Jennings...I go to bed every night wishing I was BB and/or Pioli that day

    section 2: David Terrell...I thank God every night I wasn't BB and/or Pioli that day
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    I have "anti-binkies" too - highly rated players that I don't want, no matter what.

    1. James Laurinaitis - overhyped, not suited for 3-4 ILB
    2. Rey Maualuga - overhyped, no instincts, no lateral mobility
    3. Vontae Davis - great physical skills but doesn't play consistently
    4. Brian Cushing - see Vontae Davis; injury prone
    5. Michael Johnson - see Vontae Davis; not suited for 3-4 ILB
    6. Darius Heyward-Bey - see Vontae Davis; Chad Jackson II

    Some are other people's binkies - no offense intended. JMHO.
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    Much as I hate the land thieves...

    Nic Harris - Oklahoma Safety. He's a real strong safety beast.

    Also...

    James Casey - Rice Tight End. The kid can do EVERYTHING.

    Phillip Hunt - Houston DE. I know, I know, another OLB conversion prospect. But he's good.

    Brian Orakpo - Texas DE. He'll be off the board before we pick, but he's more than a workout warrior. He's a dominating pass rusher.
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    btw you may wanna edit this to read 2009 ;)
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