Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[Triumph]

If the Trojan does not fit you must acquit.

 

[Ring 6]

There's very little chance that Kraft or any other patrons had any idea there was sex trafficking going on and there's a lot of 'sex trafficking' that isn't women chained to walls and fed gruel. This was a massage parlor in a strip mall that had been there for years.

If you think you haven't inadvertently or indirectly supported human trafficking, sweatshops or slavery then you are either incredibly lucky, buy almost no goods or aren't paying attention. That's not meant to dismiss our complicity, far from it. I know I haven't been conscientious enough - I didn't stop buying avocados when the stuff came out about cartels taking over avocado farms.

But let's throttle back on the outrage and the use of a lot of loaded terms. Unless you think Kraft was knowingly going somewhere he thought was engaged in sex trafficking you should probably cut him some of the same slack you cut yourselves.

Right because there are plenty of women who of their free will decide to pursue a career where they illegally jerk off 80 year old men for money while pretending to be a masseuse.
No reason at all to think anything is wrong with that.

 

[Hyped]

Comments:

a.) Yeah, this should be in the main Kraft thread.

b.) For some time now, I have thought that the reins should have been handed over to Jonathan. Just because 77 is pretty old to be running things....then again I am unsure what Bob does all day on a day-to-day basis...and being a NFL Owner doesn't seem to be a very stressful job..... Nonetheless, I think it is a good time to pass the baton.

 

[bormio]

Right because there are plenty of women who of their free will decide to pursue a career where they illegally jerk off 80 year old men for money while pretending to be a masseuse.
No reason at all to think anything is wrong with that.

World’s oldest profession. And many, due to life circumstances, do choose to do it.

 

[Triumph]

That looks like Bob taking one eye to the optometrist right there.

 

[Triumph]

Jupiter PD press conference @ 2:00 pm.

Charges Against Robert Kraft In Prostitution Bust Expected Soon

 

[fnordcircle]

Right because there are plenty of women who of their free will decide to pursue a career where they illegally jerk off 80 year old men for money while pretending to be a masseuse.
No reason at all to think anything is wrong with that.

Actually, there are plenty. Just look at any sugar dating website.

 

[IllegalContact]

there's no basis for him to relinquish control of the team

that said, he deserves anything he gets even if it is more severe than Irsay........what a dumbfuk move....guy with that kind of money can get his jollies a million different ways and chooses some dirty toilet in jupiter.....it is conduct very detrimental to the league

 

[Teej]

I find it comical that some people are still believing the idea that he solicited anything but a massage.. Supposedly he "negotiated" for prices where the total transaction was $59 -$79. That's the price for half hour to 45 minute massage in most places.. Yet, we're supposed to believe that the prices were to include a happy ending as well???

That might have been true the first time but he knew what was going on the second time around.

 

[Triumph]

World’s oldest profession. And many, due to life circumstances, do choose to do it.

Does not make it right.

These women are used up and thrown away only to be replaced by someone new. Porn, Strip clubs, Brothels take your pick. A few girls commit suicide because they are in such poor psychological condition.

I see it as taking advantage of someone less fortunate but thats just my opinion.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

You would almost think by some of these posts that Kraft is the poster boy for human trafficking? Really guys, just stop. Stop pretending you are Liam Neeson and Kraft is the villian from “Taken.” Not even close to being the overdramatized scandal you want it to be.

I think a lot of people are missing the point here.

There are 3 people involved here.
1) The sex traffickers
2) The sex worker
3) Kraft

The problem is that both the sex trafficker and possibly Kraft have victimized the worker if true. It doesn't matter what the law says and it doesn't matter if Kraft was unaware. The fact that he did it to what may have been a sex slave, means she was victimized again at the hands of the Patriots owner. It's not a good look.

By trivializing Kraft's role in this, the victim is dehumanized again. The fact is that he may have unwillingly participated in the victimization of a victim of sex trafficking for his own gratification. If he did, and he was unaware, he should be just as shocked she was a sex slave and should cooperate fully and not try and cover his ass. By trying to beat the charges and deny it, if true, he shows little regard for her pain when it comes to his reputation. Let's just hope it's a case of mistaken identity.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here.

There are 3 people involved here.
1) The sex traffickers
2) The sex worker
3) Kraft

The problem is that both the sex trafficker and possibly Kraft have victimized the worker if true. It doesn't matter what the law says and it doesn't matter if Kraft was unaware. The fact that he did it to what may have been a sex slave, means she was victimized again at the hands of the Patriots owner. It's not a good look.

By trivializing Kraft's role in this, the victim is dehumanized again. The fact is that he may have unwillingly participated in the victimization of a victim of sex trafficking for his own gratification. If he did, and he was unaware, he should be just as shocked she was a sex slave and should cooperate fully and not try and cover his ass. By trying to beat the charges and deny it, if true, he shows little regard for her pain when it comes to his reputation. Let's just hope it's a case of mistaken identity.

So much fail

 

[Trycked]

Fans of other teams for the most part need stuff like this to rally around. Lord knows they have nothing to celebrate their teams for.

The silver lining fom all this, is that it'll increase our chances of at least going to another super bowl next year.

- Spygate: 17-0, Superbowl appearance.
- Deflategate: Superbowl champs.
- Framegate: Superbowl champs.
- Pedgate: Superbowl champs.
- Spagate: ....happy ending?

 

[bormio]

Does not make it right.

These women are used up and thrown away only to be replaced by someone new. Porn, Strip clubs, Brothels take your pick. A few girls commit suicide because they are in such poor psychological condition.

I see it as taking advantage of someone less fortunate but thats just my opinion.

Of course it is not right. And it is a crime. But many here are ignoring their own “sins” when trying to hold Kraft responsible for how the girls came to be there. Because they prefer to not think about that.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

there's no basis for him to relinquish control of the team

that said, he deserves anything he gets even if it is more severe than Irsay........what a dumbfuk move....guy with that kind of money can get his jollies a million different ways and chooses some dirty toilet in jupiter.....it is conduct very detrimental to the league

You said it right that HE deserves anything he gets. The Team on the other hand deserves none of this and thus draft picks should not be stripped.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Here's a clip of it........

That’s a cool story to tell the grandkids one day.
“Gramps, I heard you were on TV before! What was it for?”
“Prostitution scandal.”

 

[Froob]

I'll always appreciate what Kraft did for the Patriots.

But his judgment has gotten to the point where I believe he should step aside for the good of the organization.

1. Showed poor judgment in not supporting Brady the way he should have during the Deflategate fiasco.
2. Shows poor judgment in supporting the lying con man in the Oval Office.
3. Shows poor judgment in this spa case.

3 strikes you're out Robert. Enjoy your retirement.

Not saying I like 2, but can easily swap this out for spygate.

 

[Love The Drake]

So much fail

I think a lot of people are missing the point here.

There are 3 people involved here.
1) The sex traffickers
2) The sex worker
3) Kraft

The problem is that both the sex trafficker and possibly Kraft have victimized the worker if true. It doesn't matter what the law says and it doesn't matter if Kraft was unaware. The fact that he did it to what may have been a sex slave, means she was victimized again at the hands of the Patriots owner. It's not a good look.

By trivializing Kraft's role in this, the victim is dehumanized again. The fact is that he may have unwillingly participated in the victimization of a victim of sex trafficking for his own gratification. If he did, and he was unaware, he should be just as shocked she was a sex slave and should cooperate fully and not try and cover his ass. By trying to beat the charges and deny it, if true, he shows little regard for her pain when it comes to his reputation. Let's just hope it's a case of mistaken identity.

This isn't ok or forgives it but do Billionaires ever think twice about the person whos serving them?
Whether its the bell boy, the valet,the sales man, the person whos in the way of getting what they want or feel they deserve.
Is it really impossible to believe that Kraft was unaware of the person who massaged him then asked if he wanted some relief?
Now if it was more than a rub and tug and there is video of him forcing himself upon a crying broken woman then he should immediately resign and his good name and memory are done in my eyes.

 

[borg]

I find it comical that some people are still believing the idea that he solicited anything but a massage.. Supposedly he "negotiated" for prices where the total transaction was $59 -$79. That's the price for half hour to 45 minute massage in most places.. Yet, we're supposed to believe that the prices were to include a happy ending as well???

FYI........John #12 paid with both credit card and cash.

Maybe the billionaire had a $50 limit on his Titanium AMEX and plopped down an extra $9 in cash to cover the difference.
"Seems logical" says the fanboys

Frankly, I'm expecting video showing John #12 chasing his "tissue technician" around the table while making it rain with Benjamins, senior gangsta style.

 

[IllegalContact]

You said it right that HE deserves anything he gets. The Team on the other hand deserves none of this and thus draft picks should not be stripped.

he is the team......I don't want to lose draft picks, and I think there are other ways to punish him.........but, the best answer is to not put yourself in that position.

fining him is not punishing him, he makes money hand over fist......not letting him go to the games for a year isn't really a punishment......start taking draft picks, and it will become a very effective deterrent regardless of what any fan deems unfair