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  1. jays52

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    The goal of this thread is for us to take a look at what the Jaguars are as a team. I'd love to see people on here take a personell grouping, do a little breakdown, talk about what they do well, what they don't do well, who are the standouts, how they can be countered ect...

    I'll start by taking a look at the Jaguars main strength defensively, their D-Line. Here's what I have gleaned through what I have seen of them so far. I will expand on this once the NFL network plays the GOTW later this week and I can really sit down with a pad and pen and break it down.

    Sheme: A base 43 defense in the mold of the Baltimore 43 while Del Rio was their coordinator. The emphasis is first on stopping the run by setting a LOS and allowing the backers to roam. They are not a 1-gap or 3-technique team like Indy, Chicago or Tampa. Similar to Philly but with less stunting and zone-drops. The defense is based upon the tackles Henderson and Meier. They are long, powerful linemen very similar in build to Seymour and Warren. Their primary responsibilty in run is to 2-gap and free up the athletic linebackers. In pass, they use their strength and height to their advantage. They can collapse the pocket from inside with their power and their height leads to batted balls. The tackles are flanked by ends Spicer and Hayward. Both are prototypical 43 defensive ends in the 6'5 270-290 range. In run, they are responsible for setting an edge and allowing the Sam or Will to persue outside or play the C and D gaps. In pass, they are your standard 43 ends. They get upfield and are strong enough to press the tackles or ends into the quarterback in contain.

    Sub-Packages I don't have enough knowledge yet to accurately break their sub-sets down. More to come later in the week.

    Strengths They're big, powerful and play with good technique. They are very stout against the run when they execute 2-gap responsibilities. The tackles can be dominant. The ends set the edge and allow their help to arrive. They are good at forcing runs inside and sealing the A and B gaps. They use their length to extend blockers and enable the defenders to get good reads. Their length also enables them to put their hands up and be disruptive in the passing game. The interior power of the defense can collapse the pocket. When playing well, they are nearly impossible to run directly at.

    Weaknesses They're not overly active or explosive. Good blocking technique in the passing game can negate their power moves. They rarely get in the backfield on run plays because of schematic emphasis. Once the run passes them, they are not a threat in persuit. The outside counter-trey or offtackle pulling game can exploit their lack of speed. With Strout out, The Pats can game-plan to focus on and negate Henderson. Because of their size and emphasis on power, a pop pass or screen game can force them into lateral persuit situations and wear them out over time. They take time in getting to the passer, facilitating 3, 5 and 7 step drop and gun oriented passing.


    More to come later in the week...
     
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    Uhh..what? Where do you get that from? You're claiming they two gap and don't play with a 3 tech? In a 4-3 Miami front?
     
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    I have a question about the team. Why does everyone pronounce it JAG-WIRES.

    The team name is the feline animal, right? So it would be JAG-WAHR. Or, if feeling snooty, JAG-YOO-ARE.

    WTF is a Jagwire and why does everyone call them that? Is it just that football people are usually very dumb? Is there any other team in professional sports where there is a media and fan wide conspiracy to sound stupid?

    And what is "thine"?
     
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    That's not what I was trying to convey. By 3-technique I assume we're talking about lining up in the b-gap shaded to the guard, correct? That's typically an upfield, penetrating alignment, correct? I mean it is a 4-3, that is where the tackles usually lineup. I was implying they are 2-gapping not shooting or stunting like the UMiami 43.
     
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    A 3 tech plays on the outside shoulder of the Guard. You cannot 2 gap from this position.

    Where did you discern that the Jags 2 Gap?
     
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    Right. That was the alignment I was talking about. I saw that by watching how they play gun. Albeit a limited data sample, I saw the tackles deliberately trying to engage two blockers and free up the linebackers. Just because they don't have a nose with a-gap responsibilities doesn't mean they don't 2-gap. Am I wrong in this assumption? What do you think they do, coach?
     
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    I can only think of two TRUE 2 gap systems in the NFL, both of them 3-4 Defenses (Pats and jets)...what you saw may have been a designed front to free up LB's, possibly so they can scrape when Vice broke...they were likely coached NOT to go upfield and create seams for Young to exploit.

    They've always struck me as a 4-3 team that runs some 46, Haynesworth is impossible to block(when he wants to play) and their Ends are good.
     
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    Good old gap talk... this is a very solid team and even though they are boring as hell but Jones-Drew provides big play potential as a runner, receiver and returner (disclaimer: I loved the kid out of college, one of the most exciting players I can remember).

    Here are the play by play breakdowns of the last two matchups, obviously the personnel is different but it appears the Patriots used a lot of short passes to move the ball. I expect the same with the occasional shot down the field to 81 , as the Dline tires runs will be mixed in later in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

    Wilcard 2005
    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb...by_play&season=2005&week=POST18&override=true

    Week 16 2006
    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb..._by_play&season=2006&week=REG16&override=true
     
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    I know the Pats can 2 gap from a 4 man line, but I would doubt they do it with shade alignments...picture a guy on the outside shoulder of the Guard with A and B gap responsibilities, it's impossible.
     
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    BTW, a 1 tech in the 4-3 is supposed to create a double team by the Guard and Tackle.

    I just watched the big sack on Rivers, that looked like a 46 front to me.
     
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    I know, I wasn't saying that they shade I was saying that the 1-gap teams play the 3. Look at these videos from the Pittsburgh game, they are playing head-up on the guard. I know they are getting upfield on a few of the plays shown in the videos, but those look like designed slants.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d805c3a68

    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d805c3c2e
     
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    The Pats are a 2 gap team, but generally if a team is going to slant they will align head up.

    The Titans are a 4-3 one gap. They play with a 1, 3, 5, 9. You cannot 2 gap from those alignments.
     
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    Dude. I'm talking about Jax.
     
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    Dude, so am I. The Jags do not align head up. I just watched their game. In fact, the DE is so wide on some plays I doubt he could even play D Gap, let alone C&D.
     
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    Those films are so poor, you could never figure out alignments, but the Jags are a 1 gap team.
     
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    oowww...
    ii have NO idea wut u guys are saying...but keep it up...just dont kill each otehr allright?

    also, i think the other guy DID say the jags are a 2 gap team..
     
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    He did, but they're not. I made a typo...They definitely play 1 gap.
     
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    You're definitely not talking about the Jaguars. In this thread you've mentioned Titans, Haynesworth, and the fact that you just watched a sack on Rivers (who plays for San Diego for the record...it is getting a little murky in here).
     
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    And you're talking about BOTH the Titans and Chargers here. First, in response to a discussion on the Jaguars alignment, you say they were running a designed front to keep Vince from running. Vince Young was playing the Chargers defense.

    Then you launch into a discussion on the Titans defensive front. This is so confusing. The only clear thing is that each post should have a heading of team name, mascot, and year the team entered the NFL.
     
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    The Jags obviously DON'T use their D-linemen to occupy 2 O-linemen to free up their linebackers. If you watched the game yesterday, you saw Jags D-linemen making all the tackles on the Steelers RB's...even on the straight "dive" runs inside the tackles.

    Their D-linemen are too good to waste playing a 2-gap. Hell, I often wish we'd stop playing 2-gap since our D-line is comparable with the Jags.
     
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