Galeb
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Bad weather can severely impede throwing the ball deep.Bad weather impeding Moss' game is untrue.
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Bad weather can severely impede throwing the ball deep.Bad weather impeding Moss' game is untrue.
Balanced attack???? Huh?Moss was the 2nd best WR ever and an absolute joy to watch not to mention being part of 2 of the top 5 offenses of all time. That said I take the GOAT TE because while you may not put up as many points, while you may not have the quick strike easy score CB pants $hitting fear inducing air attack, I believe you have a harder to stop balanced attack. One of the things all of the Jimmy Grahm is as good as GRONK overlook is how much having an extra A+ run blocking LT is worth to the run game. It is why the debate is not even close as there is no non QB, in the league IMO who affects the total offense as much as Gronk. I take him everytime.
The cast after Moss/Welker was thinner that year.
Didn't he catch 2 or 3 TD's in the heavy snow in that game we were wearing the throwbacks?Bad weather can severely impede throwing the ball deep.
Guess defenses chose not to counter Moss with "good defensive play" 23 times in the end zone in '07...in the greatest WR season in NFL history.Moss can be countered by bad weather and good defensive play. Gronk can only be countered by injury. Gronk in a landslide.
Guess defenses chose not to counter Moss with "good defensive play" 23 times in the end zone in '07...in the greatest WR season in NFL history.
Excellent analysis
Voted for Gronk & Edelman. Welker was clutch at the time but he was never as good an athlete as Edelman. If it was Moss and Edelman, it might have been a harder decision.
I think it becomes a discussion because even with a healthy Moss and Welker, the Pats were shut down in that SB. Many think that in a game like that a healthy Gronk wouldn't be shut down. So it goes beyond the numbers but to me the health question is a big one. Given his physical style of play can Gronk make it through a post season.
Hmmmm......Top 3 WR of all time combined with Top slot WR of all time ......Who crushed the scoring records which led to an 18-1 record. Close to 3000 yds of offense combined. More wins, more points......This is real discussion?
You are looking at the most ridiculous season from game one an offense has ever had versus one where the primary weapon (gronk) was coming back from injury and the offense line had lost it's longest tenured vet and counted on a couple of rookies. That 07 team had vets all over the place and started out fast. This years team had a number of questions and lost their best back to IR. The pressure of perfection and keeping up the crazy air attack eventually got to that 07 team and when they ran into team's that could shut it down they had nothing else to fall back on. I am not just focusing my gronk love on this year but on what he has contributed overall in his career. I have seen him pancake too many people to not see the A+ blocker he adds to the line when he stays in. That IMO is more valuable then a guy taking an extra safety deep every play. Now don't get me wrong Moss is amazing and the best deep threat the NFL has ever seen and it is a tough choice. Personally I think the duel threat is harder to find and more valuable so I choose gronk.Balanced attack???? Huh?
NE has 3 rushing TDs this year. The Gronk Effect on the running game is statistically non existent through week 9. Do I expect it to improve......I do....and it better. But right now, the Gronk Effect is a myth
Comparing the great 2007 year vs. a projected 16 week 2014..
.................................2007......................2014 Projected
rush yds...................1849...............................1619
rush TDs......................17.....................................5
pass yds....................4731..............................4252
pass TDs.....................50....................................41
WW+ Moss yds.........2668
WW + Moss TDs..........31
Edel +Gronk yds..............................................2167
Edel + Gronk TDs................................................18
Welker and Moss, at their peak were dominant and vastly superior statistically than Gronk/JE. .....500 yds and 13 TDs better.....and NE's running game thrived while they were on the field. No doubt the entire 2007 roster was superior and this 2014 offense is definitely improving by leaps each and every game.
Regardless........I'll take 91 points of additional scoring directly associated with WW/Moss and 84 points of additional rushing output any day. The real question is why the Gronk/WW camp thinks 175 points less is better??
Read the OPYou are looking at the most ridiculous season
Ok. My point still remains I take the all world TE over the all world WR. That does not take away from me considering Moss an all world WR. Welker and eldeman are a push with Welker being the better slot and Jules being the better PR.Read the OP
- Randy Moss & Wes Welker (2007-09)
- Rob Gronkowski & Julian Edelman