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  1. WelshPat

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    We should onside kick. I've had this idea since the the Saints did the onside kick in the 2nd half a few years ago (a decision i disagreed with) but why not go for the onside to open the game?

    First thing in all honesty I think the Giants are a little better than us or at least even. At the end of the day they came to Gillette this year and put us to the sword. If we were the much better team, I would not do this. But over the years, it seems like teams try surprise onside kicks against us now and again with a pretty good success rate (I can remember Green Bay last year, Philly in 07, i'm sure theres more), and I can't remember us going for one.

    But isn't this the best time to surprise the other team? No-one would expect it, plus with all those flashing lights going off it could be pretty tough for the guy you kick at to the field the kick cleanly, and you even have the factor of players being so juiced up for the game, I can remember a Green Bay player crying during the anthem last year.

    You know we will defer if we win the coin toss, and if these kicks are supposed to be most effective when the other team isn't expecting in, are they ever going to NOT expect it more than the opening kickoff of a SuperBowl?
     
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    The Packers unsuccessfully tried to onside kick early in their playoff game against the Giants.

    Personally not only do I think it's risky, but I think it sends the wrong message.......that we need to revert to "trick plays" to win instead of winning by good fundamental football
     
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    I'm pretty sure we've never recovered an onside kick under BB....so, yeeaaaa.....
     
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    Because it is the single worst idea proposed about this game. The Pats win this game through drive efficiency on offense and being opportunistic on defense. Starting the game with a 60% chance of forfeiting a drive and putting the defense behind the 8 ball is lunacy.
     
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    Id rather pin them deep and hold them to a 3 and out.
     
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    an onsides kick would not be a good idea unless we were behind at the end of the game. however, stealing a possession from the Giants is not a bad idea. perhaps a fake punt when we only need a yard or two for the first down.
     
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    As iffy as our D has been, we've got to show faith in them. Make the other team go the whole field. No turnovers and certainly no onside kicks please
     
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    1) They'd be expecting it

    2) Rather not risk giving an explosive offense good field position
     
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    Put the pipe down and get away from the computer. The LAST thing I want to see is the Giants starting the Superbowl on the Pats 30. Drugs are bad, mkay...
     
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    The last time the Patriots recovered an onside kick was against Bill Belichick and the Cleveland Browns. So ouch, Beli has never been good at those.
     
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    Nah, I think they'd see it coming or at least have their front guys paying attention. I wouldn't mind a fake punt again, though.

    Matter of fact, as long as we don't have any kickoffs go out of bounds and don't allow a 10 minute opening drive, I think I will be content with the outcome.
     
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    This x 1000.

    Get our defense out there while they're all spun up, get a quick 3 and out to set the tone for the rest of the game.
     
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    Nothing like letting your opponent know that you are scared enough to resort to desperation plays before one down is played.

    I say we sack up, and beat them the old fashion way.
     
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    I'd say let's get 3 and outs on the first 3 possessions but we saw how then went last week...but of course, im sure if we do that again, we'll score at least ten point before they start taking form.
     
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    Key to this game is give them three and get us seven. Plain and simple. Punters be damned.
     
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    I don't think they should onsides kick but I like the idea. I think the Pats have to be aggressive and go-for-it on 4th down more often than in other games. It's ok to settle for FGs against Balt (or at least I thought it was) but not against the Giants. While they aren't juggernaunts, I would rather put the game in Tom Brady's hands instead of hoping/praying the secondary can come up big.
     
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    If your argument is that it would succeed because the Pats would catch them off guard, think again. Tom Coughlin strikes me as the kind of HC who runs through dealing with a surprise onside kick every week in practice, with the penalty for failure to recover being a bunch of laps around the track for his receivers.

    So, it would be odds on to give Eli a short field. Bad idea.
     
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    To pick up on a theme others have raised in this thread, I'd put it that aggressive play doesn't have to be dumb play. An onside kick at the outset against a team that no doubt practices being "surprised" every week is dumb.
     
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