Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by SanAngeloState, Dec 4, 2011.
We'll see. They are like roaches and seem to play their best with their backs against the wall.
Even if the NYJ lose only once (KC, PHI, NYG, MIA) they still only go 10-6.
If I recall correctly, they would still need some help from some of the outside teams who they are also battling for ONE spot.
Remember that one of the two spots goes to the team that doesn't win the AFCN (PIT or BAL). That leaves the NYJ to compete with :
--Loser of the AFCW (either Oakland or Denver)
So, in reality no they aren't "done" by any means. They never were. But there are currently 4 teams competing for 1 spot, so they aren't by any means a lock either.
I once got an infraction for calling an obvious troll a troll......so
Calling someone a troll is trolling. A vicious cycle.
I'm not either. If beating them 45-3 was irrelevant to how our playoff meeting would go, sweeping them is equally or more irrelevant. Playoffs are an entire new season
So what you are saying is any team that has any chance of beating us will beat us?
9-3 teams don't generally lose 3 out 4 when 3 of the teams have losing records and the 4th is barely over .500 and a novelty act that hasn't beaten any good teams.
The good news is that they're currently still the 9th seeded team...
Yes, they can and will certainly make a wildcard push. But there are the following teams ahead of them:
Then come the NY Jets
Teams usually don't play perfect football in the playoffs. But the teams that win usually have defenses that can cover for their flaws, force quick three and out's, and get more opportunities to score points. The Pats haven't shown that they have that type of D this year, unfortunately.
As for the Jets, I told people not to write them off a few weeks back. Every year we write them off, every year they get in by some sort of luck.
assuming the Pats get the 1st seed, I want to see the Jets get in as the 6th seed. they can probably beat 3rd seed Houston, but then they'll have to face the Patriots again.
I want revenge dammit!
I don't see any reasonable scenario where NE gets in as the #1 seed this yr, but I respect your right to hold out hope.
As far as facing the NYJ for a 3rd time go...are you serious? We already got revenge, and it would be the ultimate revenge to win the division (again), while they sit home.
I don't know why anyone would truly want to face the NYJ again this yr? I don't see much benefit in doing it. It would be like giving someone new life to prove that the first 2 times you beat them did not matter. Another reason is b/c they would get pumped up again for a 3rd matchup, where anything is possible. Not only that, but Rex Ryan would sit up night and day, trying to scheme up something to slow Brady down. Even though we do matchup well with them on paper, I wouldn't want any part of that matchup. It's also hard to beat the same opponent 3x in one yr, it lowers your chances even though it's been done a number of times before.
I would relate it to playing with fire, at least that's my thinking.
Doesnt highest seed always play lowest remaining seed? 1v5 can only happen in the Championship game. If the wildcard teams win, it's 1v6 and 2v5. The 1 seed will likely play the AFCW winner or the Jets/Titans/Bengals (I don't see 2 AFCW teams making it).
In other words, the 1 seed not only gets homefield advantage, but arguably the worst playoff teams.
rd1: 3v6 4v5
rd2: 1v lowest remaining 2v highest remaining
edit: i outsmarted myself. if 3 and 5 win its 1v5 in divisional. Guess it all depends on who the 6 seed is and how well Houston is playing with their #3 QB.
There's a lot of reason to believe that a #2 seed would matchup better, and avoid having to possibly play BOTH Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
As long as the #6 loses on the road to the #3, the #5 seed (BAL/PIT) would play the #1 (BAL/PIT). It would be a great way to have them knock each other out, and only have to play one.
On top of that, if PIT wins (as they very well may, having lost 2x to them in one year, which is rare + they have no problem beating them in BAL), we would actually host the AFCCG vs PIT.
I see the 2 being much better off, as they'd get to play the 3 or 4 (likely HOU, or the winner of the West), which would be a much better matchup.
Of course, this is also under the assumption that:
1. The home team can win a playoff game (HOU or DEN/OAK) in the first round
2. Said home team can knock out the weakest team in the tournament, which would also be on the road
It's not too much to ask, but maybe you're just used to the #6 winning lately.
So much luck.
Shanny does not own us. He had a decent D Coord in Larry Coyer (when Coyer was good back in Denver) who gave us fits. We just suck playing in Denver. Not sure how and why. Last time BB faced Shanny, it was a rout on MNF.
With my scenario as a 2 seed? Not really...
All you need is the 3 seed (higher seed, much better record, at home, and heavily favored) to beat the 6 (last team in the tourny, weakest team, on the road, underdog) in ONE game.
It's not asking for the world. There'd have to be a very decent chance of it happening. Somewhere close to 2/3rds--early 60's to mid 60's %, I'd have to imagine.
That avoids playing BOTH Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and allows us to beat one team at home (either HOU or DEN/OAK) to go to the AFC Championship game.
Just b/c the #6 seeded Jets won a couple of yrs in a row does not always mean that the #6 is going to upset the #3 every yr.
I think the jets season will end in miami........they won't make the playoffs
every team they stand to go up against in tie breakers (raiders, broncos, ravens) have them head to head........
The Pats *should* go 4-0 and finish 13-3. But I could see them dropping one of these last four and finishing at 12-4.
Baltimore (9-3): vs Ind, at SD, vs Cle, at Cin - I think they go 3-1. That would give them the conference tiebreaker over New England.
Houston (9-3): at Cin, vs Car, at Ind, vs Ten - I think they go 3-1 as well. NE would have the strength of victory tiebreaker, most likely, over Houston. That would put NE as the #2 seed.
Denver (7-5): vs Chi, vs NE, at Buf, vs KC - They could go anywhere from 4-0 to 0-4. Let's say 2-2, so they finish at 9-7.
Oakland (7-5): at GB, vs Det, at KC, vs SD - I see them going, at best, 2-2. That means they finish tied with Denver at 9-7. I think Denver would likely have the better division record, so Denver gets the #4 seed.
Cincinnati (7-5): vs Hou, at StL, vs Ari, vs Bal - I see 2-2 or 3-1 here, putting them at either 9-7 or 10-6.
Tennessee (7-5): vs NO, at Ind, vs Jax, at Hou - They should win the Ind and Jax games, probably lose vs NO. That puts them at 9-6 with the last game against Houston to go. I think Hou will have the division locked up at that point, but Ten will need it to make the playoffs. That'll be one interesting game for sure. Figure they go 9-7 or 10-6.
NYJets (7-5): vs KC, at Phi, vs NYG, at Mia - They could go 4-0 or 0-4, and neither would surprise me (ok, I would be surprised if they lost to KC). I think they go 2-2 or 3-1 to finish at 9-7 or 10-6.
That last weekend could be crazy, with these being huge games:
- NE vs Buf - NE playing for #1 or #2 seed
- Bal at Cin - Bal playing for the division title, and a #1 or #2 seed; Cin playing for their playoff lives
- Pit at Cle - Pit playing for the division title, and a #1 or #2 seed
- Ten at Hou - Hou playing for the #2 seed, Ten playing for the playoffs
- NYJ at Mia - Jets playing for the playoffs
- Den vs KC - Den playing for the division title or wild card
- Oak vs SD - Oak playing for the division title or wild card
That's about as good a list of games as you're going to find on the last weekend of the season.
#1 Baltimore (12-4)
#2 New England (12-4) - loses the tiebreaker to Bal
#3 Houston (11-5 or 12-4) - loses the tiebreaker to NE
#4 Denver (9-7)
#5 Pittsburgh (12-4) - loses the tiebreaker to Bal
#6 NYJ (10-6) - somehow gets in
And if that happens, we'd see:
NYJ at Hou - Jets will win that game
Pit at Den - Pit will shut down Tebow and win that game
NYJ at Bal - a war; Bal wins
Pit at NE - NE gets revenge
NE at Bal - who knows
Shanny doesn't own much of anything these days. Only the chicken little's here and Snyder fell for that crap...
I never root for the Jets to win anything because I'm superstitious enough to believe that God protects the truly stupid (that's mostly a joke, but I really don't want to meet them for a third time...at some point the laws of randomness take over and you never know what might happen).
There's not a whole lot any of us can say when we're talking about a team that hasn't won a playoff game since the 07 season, but I've got the Ravens, even with Flacco at QB, as the Pats' biggest threat. I'd rather things work out that the Steelers eliminate them and we put our money on BB not losing to a team twice in a season.
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