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    as much as its good that its a +ve media analysis of our QB vs his biggest rival , this is so typical to pile on someone when they are having a bad stretch. these were the same mediots who were ready to crown manning the greatest ever right before the SB last yr.
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    Whitlock is making the same point you are re: the mediots and their premature annointing of Manning.
    Just so refreshing to read an out of town media type recognizng the intangibles with Tom Brady. Those qualities are what set him apart.
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    For most Pats fans and level headed individuals, this conversation was over from Jump St. However, if anybody needed any convincing, Manning's play over the last several weeks vs. Brady's play during the same stretch should nail it. Manning, after losing his binkies, has completely fallen apart. Brady has gone to and won Super Bowls with a receiving corps that makes Manning's current crop look like a Pro Bowl roster.
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    Obviously I think Brady is better - but this article is premature. Peyton could run the table here and out and I don't think any of us would be shocked. The guy is good.

    The legacy of the two will not be written until they both retire b/c at any point, either is capable of dominating and carrying their team to the Super Bowl. Making proclamations with 4 weeks left in the regular season is futile.

    That said, if this is the best Manning can do with this supporting cast - that is an indictment. Having Reggie Wayne alone trumps what Brady won Super Bowls with.
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    Brady is better until next week when he changes his mind again. Can't believe how some get so worked up over this debate. 5 years after they retire they will both be in the hall of fame and debate will continue until the end of time. Or until a whole generation have never seen either one of them play and they think their generation QB is the best ever.
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    well i was more talking about how these guys conveniently. write an article when manning has struggled recently. i wish he had written this before the pats/colts game .after all , the intangibles he mentions were with brady then too.
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    to be fair IMO, manning runs the show there at least on offense, whereas BB runs it here. Brady makes use of the great coaching staff to design and adjust whereas the colts coaching staff frankly puts everything on manning. iam not saying manning is better .Brady is because he follows what the coaches want him to do game to game which is harder to do sometimes. At least thats what struck me yesterday watching the colts. Their coaches were making no adjustments to help their QB out and let him figure it out who inspite of being great cant compete with numerous coaches on the sidelines when he shorthanded.
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    Brady makes just as many pre-snap reads as Manning does and adjusts the offense and the blocking accordingly. But yes, I agree that BOB/McDaniels/current offensive coordinator has more control over play calling with Brady than the Colts' offensive coordinator does with Manning.
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    This article shows that even idiotic tools like Whitlock can occasionally have sustained moments of clarity, and in those moments he can write a very good column, before he reverts back to his norm.

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    I enjoyed the article, obviously, but I really wish it was written by someone other than the guy who advocated for Jeff George to be our QB when Brady went down.
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    Whitlock and Jeff George were friends, high school classmates, and teammates in Indianapolis.

    ESPN.com: Page 2 : Don't judge George too quickly
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    This. If Brady has a bad night vs the Jesters tonight, opinion will sway back to Manning (or someone else). It's a 'what have you done lately' league, and this Greatest QB Debate is a showcase for that attitude.

    We are extremely lucky to be seeing Manning vs Brady, both in their primes, playing in a decade's worth of meaningful games. Let's hope both keep playing well enough to fuel this debate for a few years more :)
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    I can't find it, but Belichick made the point of talking about how much latitude Brady has regarding playcalling. It's essentially the same as Manning, from the way he was talking about it.
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    In all Honesty, I would have found this article far more enjoyable and respected the writer if this was written when the Colts were 6-3.

    Writing this now, is just jumping on the band wagon.

    I would assume somewhere on the site is fien print which reads
    "Opinions subject to change based on weekly performances"
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    I know, but it doesn't make the suggestion any less crazy. IMO, anyway.

    But I did like this article, if it is indeed true he has never been on Manning GOAT bandwagon.
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    Whitlock has written variations of this column many times in the past, when the viewpoint was one that ruffled more feathers. He hates the Colts, perhaps for dumping his buddy Jeff George all those years ago.
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    As I posted in the MVP thread, people who doubt Brady usually call him nothing more than a system QB, with arguments such as...

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    I wouldn't go that far. Branch? Givens? Troy? make his receivers look like pro bowlers?
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    That's because people are idiots.
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    well..maybe i didnt express it correctly. Sure brady has as much latitude when running a play but i meant from a overall scheme/game plan perspective. For e.g i remember watching nfl films of pats vs eagles during the 16-0 2007 season in which the eagles gave us all we could handle. After halftime bb says to tom, "we are going to get out of the no huddle now,okay ? and brady nods" . Something along those lines. The pats switch gameplans with him and he executes it . I meant at that level,colts game plans mostly look the same to me. iam not expert so maybe iam wrong.
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    That was the SECOND most exquisite thing I've read on this Thread. :rocker:

    The FIRST most exquisite, of course, is my favorite quote by my favorite ~ 5 Way Tie!! ~ President...which is, of course, your magnificent Signature:

    "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." – Theodore Roosevelt
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    THIS.

    I find the fact this that is ever even debated both offensive and incomprehensible.

    What, precisely, makes anyone with an IQ over 7 even consider Manning to be in Brady's league??

    * Is it the fact that Manning has barely more TD's per Full 16 Game Year than Brady ~ 30.6 TDs versus 30.0 TDs ~ despite playing his entire career with an Offense LOADED with Weaponry, something than Brady has only enjoyed for the last 2 -3 years??

    * Is it the fact that Manning has barely kept ahead of Brady by a SLIVER, despite those immense advantages AND despite playing an average of 13 games in Pass-Friendly warm climates or Domes, while Brady has played an average of 3 games in friendly climates??

    * Or is it the fact that since he finally got Receivers on Par with Manning's, 3 years ago, Brady's been hitting 39.4 TD's per year, CRUSHING Manning's 30.7??

    * No, it's gotta be the fact that Brady ~ playing in FOXBORO, mind you ~ wiped out Domer Manning's TD record the very first year he got those receivers!!

    * Or could it simply be that Brady's TD to Interception Ratio ~ 2.41 ~ DESTROYS Manning's, which is 2.00?? REAL men aren't afraid to throw Interceptions!!

    * No, it must be Manning's sterling PlayOff record, where he's managed to help no less than 9 different teams to PlayOff success, none of them from Indianapolis, of course. Manning's 1 Super Bowl Ring was the gift of a Pass Interference-calling Referee who's vile thievery was so hideously blatant that even a Roger Goodell-led league forced him to write a formal letter of apology to Ellis Hobbs.

    ***

    In short: Manning has been a SPECTACULAR PlayOff failure, while Tom Brady has taken his place alongside Joe Montana as this generation's Captain Clutch.

    All Manning HAD...was statistics.

    And since 2007 he doesn't even have them.

    In fact, if we were foolish enough to look at stats...they're not even CLOSE.

    And if you actually have the good judgment to ignore statistics, and look at what actually makes a better QuarterBack, as opposed to a Passer ~ Processing Speed, Judgement Under Pressure, LEADERSHIP ~ there is a yawning, gaping GORGE between them.

    If you understand FootBall ~ and it's painfully obvious that so very few actually do ~ then Manning isn't even in the Argument.
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    Oh what a crock. Brady has run many iterations of this offense depending on personnel OC inclination. Manning on the other hand has been running the same simplistic offense for 13 seasons. It's a timing predicated offense so personnel changes matter almost as much as they do in this more complicated read and react post snap offense. Manning makes all the reads in his offense and his receivers simply run the play as called. If he screws the pooch they are toast. Brady makes all the reads here but he has to trust his receivers to see and adjust to the same things he sees post snap. Doesn't always happen. Manning gets three plays sent in, usually 2 passing and 1 running option, and he selects at the line based on his read of the defense. Brady gets a single play call that he is free to audible out of as he sees fit pre snap. The mistakes Manning is making lately are largely the result of pressure disrupting the finite timing between he and his WR's. And disguised defenses confusing him somewhat again as they did back in the day...
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    as i posted later, i probably didnt convey correctly what i meant

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ck-brady-best-his-generation.html#post2374986
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