Jamie Collins - Secret Superstar

[AzorianPats]

Good article find B6. Thank dude. I have said this b4 he is DPOY candidate. Everybody here knows I'm not over optimistic or bias in favor of our own players. He is one of the most explosive Qwik twitch defenders in the NFL. He can cover, his instincts improving every passing week. Forgive me my friends here for suggesting this. He could use 10-12 lbs of functional muscle like you can say about almost all qwik twitch defenders entering the league including Demarcus Ware who entered 6'3 3/4 255LBs. Filled out to nearly 270 and rest is history. Same with Clay Matthews 6'3 245 and filled out to 260 his first season and became an elite passrusher. Collins reminds me of Claymaker or Ware but Collins is more natural in overall LB duties. He is an X factor in our defense. This is a guy who could be double digit sack artist as a 3-4 rush OLB playing olb in a 4-3 role. When he blitzes,offenses while trying to contain our 4 down lineman will have no answer for him. But I'm serious he does need an additional 10 lbs of muscle. He has the frame for it,won't slow him down at all.

I know saying he needs to adDE10 lbs or so can sound negative. But almost all player of his skill set you can say that for. Cleveland took Mingo #6 overall and that's first thing they mentioned as did Dallas with Ware and packers said with Matthews. Here's the thing, with minor tweaks of certain players which are done all the time by teams, this defense has more talent than the Seahawks. Easley, a rare talent as a rookie will be most disruptive DT in the NFL,Jones steadily improving physical skills,Zach Moore has raw skills equal to almost any pro bowl DE,Hightower is fairly athletic for a 270lb mlb(but slightly to big for a speedy passing league)but if he adds a touch of burst/quickness he is the most unique mlb in this league then. And it will show up when in coverage or closing on a duel threat qb. Reevis,Dennard,Ryan are as good as any 3CBs in the NFL. McCourty sticking finally at fs will finally be recognized as Earl Thomas Caliber. Browner probably takes some snaps at SS. He is unquestioned the best SS in the NFL. Better in coverage than Chancellor. At 6'3 1\2 224 Lbs he can cover any TE in this league and most big WRs(may struggle with speedy ones but handles most) He can drop in zone deep or the slot well as Byrd or Ward. But what separates Browner is he can man up any TE. Shorter SS's like them cant. Browner also is a sure physical tackler. Not quite the hitter Chancellor is but can handle more coverage duties. Browner/McCourty gives us 2 physical sure tackling safety's elite in any coverage as safetys on par with corners. Logan Ryan makes jump this year to pro bowl status. He is long physical with terrific makeup speed gear and elite ball skills. With improved passrush 7\8 ints wouldn't surprise anybody. Wilfork/Kelly can occupy blockers and free up the playmakers on defense. A healthy Mayo's return is important and pulls the defense together and adds another fast capable LB.

I know saying Hightower is best at 255( still huge mlb) upsets some but this is a passing league with speed to burn and then some. Duel threat qbs are a serious threat gashing defenses for 200 YARDS rushing is VERY real. ANY Lb at any time BETTER be able to cut them off for more manageable gains instead of GameChanger 50/70 yard runs. 10 lbs of muscle and power helps the young Collins in becoming the most dangerous defender in the NFL. Seattle's defense will pretty much be forgotten as fast as hairbands did when grunge/alternative hit like a bomb. Our Defense could be known as the NFL Alternative/Grunge to Big Offense and duel threat qbs.

Browner never played a snap at SS in his NFL career. Ever. In fact he's at his worst playing zone. I can see BB using him the way he used Talib on Graham on TE's but that's it.

Calling a guy who's never played the position the best in the NFL is a huge stretch.

 

[Marinlik]

Browner never played a snap at SS in his NFL career. Ever. In fact he's at his worst playing zone. I can see BB using him the way he used Talib on Graham on TE's but that's it.

Calling a guy who's never played the position the best in the NFL is a huge stretch.

I agree with you. Browner is good as a press man guy. But he is a hip bender and he takes large steps. Those are two things that aren't optimal in the open field. In my opinion his movement isn't what you look for in a safety.

 

[patriot lifer]

90% of this board hated the Collins pick, with Deus the ringleader of the lynching party. A year later and some newb is talking about "twitches" and added muscle and making asinine comparisons to other NFL players. Collins played safety, linebacker and D line at Miss St. Led the team in tackles by a staggering amount. Played hard on a team that went 0-12.Collins racked up 20 tackles for loss (and 10 sacks) for the Golden Eagles during his first-team All-Conference USA senior season. His athleticism and explosiveness was RIGHT THERE to see during camp. Still, the hater brigade, as they always do, continued with the constant negatives.

At the start of the season and going forward, did he look lost here and there? Yes. Did he miss some assignments and tackles? Yes. HE WAS A GODDAMNED ROOKIE!!!!!!! WE all saw him click in December and NOW the "expert" bandwagon has all kinds of advice for him. Gone are the "bust" threads and posts and the "Bill can't draft!" screeds by the usual suspects.

Collins ran a 4.59 pre-combine 40...he ran a 4.64 at the combine , 2nd fastest for backers. He pressed 225 19 times,astounded everyone with a 41.5 inch vertical and 11 1/2 foot broad jump.At 6'3", 250 lbs with a 34 inch reach, his ceiling is only limited by experience...yet the vomiting vermin wants him adding weight so he'll be more like some other player he's got some weirdo hots for. Why can't some of these "fans" EVER be happy about ANYTHING?

I needed a good rant this morning.
Now I don't need coffee.

But in all seriousness, I'm tempering my expectations. He showed late-season flashes of brilliance. I hope for the best but realize he will only be a god-d*mned sophomore. With our starters, there's the potential for a 3-headed beast...of course, I said that last year and then Mayo went to IR, Hightower had more developing to do, and Spikes almost got slower.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

But really...I can't wait to see this kid this year. Player I am most looking forward to see out there

 

[Rob0729]

Browner never played a snap at SS in his NFL career. Ever. In fact he's at his worst playing zone. I can see BB using him the way he used Talib on Graham on TE's but that's it.

Calling a guy who's never played the position the best in the NFL is a huge stretch.

Actually, you are technically wrong. When he first came into the league, the Broncos used him in the preseason at SS. But he did not make the 53 man roster due to breaking his arm and went to the CFL the next year.

 

[AzorianPats]

Actually, you are technically wrong. When he first came into the league, the Broncos used him in the preseason at SS. But he did not make the 53 man roster due to breaking his arm and went to the CFL the next year.

I honestly had no idea about that.

But still, labeling him the best at a position he hasn't played in for years is wrong.

 

[Rob0729]

I am glad Collins is getting his due. He was trashed as a draft pick on this board and pretty much everywhere, but he is looking to shape up to be a a great pick. He can do pretty much everything. If he has a good year two jump, he will turn a lot of heads this year.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

90% of this board hated the Collins pick, with Deus the ringleader of the lynching party. A year later and some newb is talking about "twitches" and added muscle and making asinine comparisons to other NFL players. Collins played safety, linebacker and D line at Miss St. Led the team in tackles by a staggering amount. Played hard on a team that went 0-12.Collins racked up 20 tackles for loss (and 10 sacks) for the Golden Eagles during his first-team All-Conference USA senior season. His athleticism and explosiveness was RIGHT THERE to see during camp. Still, the hater brigade, as they always do, continued with the constant negatives.

At the start of the season and going forward, did he look lost here and there? Yes. Did he miss some assignments and tackles? Yes. HE WAS A GODDAMNED ROOKIE!!!!!!! WE all saw him click in December and NOW the "expert" bandwagon has all kinds of advice for him. Gone are the "bust" threads and posts and the "Bill can't draft!" screeds by the usual suspects.

Collins ran a 4.59 pre-combine 40...he ran a 4.64 at the combine , 2nd fastest for backers. He pressed 225 19 times,astounded everyone with a 41.5 inch vertical and 11 1/2 foot broad jump.At 6'3", 250 lbs with a 34 inch reach, his ceiling is only limited by experience...yet the vomiting vermin wants him adding weight so he'll be more like some other player he's got some weirdo hots for. Why can't some of these "fans" EVER be happy about ANYTHING?

Im also fascinated with all the naysayers who are convinced that they would be a perfect NFL GM that never made any mistakes and would build a dynasty that never lost a game for 10+ years.... if only they werent so busy with their normal day jobs that is.

Ive been posting on forums since 2000 or so actively, and one of the things that I have determined is that there are these personality types that love to tear apart every single decision the team makes because when they're right, they can gloat endlessly about how genius they are for seeing it... and when they're wrong, nobody really cares or remembers because everyone is happy that things are going well.

Its this win, win mentality with them in their minds.

"If im right, i get to gloat and call myself a genius"
"If im wrong, that means we have a great player and team"

So they just live in this bubble of negativity (Mike Felger is a perfect example.. his entire demographic are these negative nancies).

Every pick is a bad pick because it wasnt the EXACT guy that they fell in love with from reading OTHER PEOPLE'S scouting reports. Of course they aren't actually out at the combine and going college to college, talking with coaches, teachers, teammates, etc and working these guys out, watching endless game film from an X's and O's stand point and making an evaluation..

They just read some scouting reports on a guy and convince themselves that "THATS OUR GUY!!!!" and then their guy isn't drafted and its like their entire world is caving in around them, how the Patriots front office are a bunch of morons that don't know anything and should all be fired and how if they were the GM, we would never lose another game for the next 50+ years and be the greatest team in the history of humankind.

The best strategy would be to simply ignore them because they strive off of having a soundboard to bounce their drivel off of, but ill admit that its always too tempting to engage with them.

Thats Boston sports fans for you though. You would think we have the worst team in the league from reading some posts.

Kudos for calling them out though!

 

[Jlaff]

I don't recall THAT many people hating on the pick; but then again, I'm not as active on this board as some either. The team had a problem covering the TE, more teams were utilizing the TE in the passing game (following the Pats), so they drafted a LB who was projected to cover TE's effectively, made sense to me. Didn't foresee all this other ability though.

 

[JMC00]

I don't recall THAT many people hating on the pick; but then again, I'm not as active on this board as some either.

Here is some of the instant reaction of when the pick was made

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...nds-2-3-2013-nfl-draft-thread.1023448/page-14

The lulz

Someone needs to drug test Belichick immediately.

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But reading some of that thread for the first time since last year, there was a decent amount of people clamoring for Jamar Taylor at #52.

Question for the people that had Taylor as one of their binkies?

Jamie Collins and Logan Ryan or Jamar Taylor and any LB that was picked after #83

 

[TonyTucker]

Haha, people were saying he's Shawn Crable 2.0. What dopes. Deus looked like a fool, as usual, but that hasn't stopped him from his smug postings.

 

[TonyTucker]

But really, all you need to know about the patsfans draftniks is that they universally loved the Darius Butler pick.

 

[joepatsfan]

With BB and his drafting, I've learned to wait before making a rash decision on anything.

I didn't hate the Collins pick last year, because honestly many small school guys I don't know too much about. I knew he was athletic so that's where I'd hold off.

I hated the Dobson pick. Only because there were two guys, Keenan Allen and Terrance Williams that I liked more that him. but now, I think Dobson is going to be really good this upcoming year. I like him.

You have to wait to decide on draft picks being good or not

 

[primetime]

I don't understand the hatred of PFF on this board. PFF is fine, though you have to take their metrics with a grain of salt because it's just systematizing something inherently subjective. The people doing the grading spend a lot more time watching football than I do, and probably a lot more time than most people on this board, though. It's certainly more valuable than the talking head narrative-based analysis you see elsewhere.

 

[Kontradiction]

Browner never played a snap at SS in his NFL career. Ever. In fact he's at his worst playing zone. I can see BB using him the way he used Talib on Graham on TE's but that's it.

Calling a guy who's never played the position the best in the NFL is a huge stretch.

Yeah but how much is Browner squatting these days? THAT'S the important question here.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Went back and reread the thread the day he was drafted. I think more like 50% didn't like the pick of Collins. I was surprised he wasn't heavily hyped in the draft forum he was certainly mentioned by a few. As soon as I saw his numbers and measureables I was very intrigued by the pick.

"Didn't see the pick coming but damn.!! Surround this guy with some real players and let's see what he can do. 10 sacks despite being the only focal point on the defense on a crap team. . Brett Favre's college."

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I can't imagine anyone, who watched Collins' level of play to the end last season, not being totally stoked about what level of play we might see out of this kid this upcoming season. Should he continue to progress as he did last year, he may well become a superstar. Collins, and Revis, are my most anticipated defensive players to see this season.

 

[Avenger]

But really, all you need to know about the patsfans draftniks is that they universally loved the Darius Butler pick.

turned into a pretty good player for Indy

 

[AzorianPats]

Yeah but how much is Browner squatting these days? THAT'S the important question here.

Oh bro I'm learning to just smh and ignore all that junk......

 

[AzorianPats]

According to Jeff Howe on Twitter Jaime Collins looks a little bit bigger. Which also means Gym rat gonna have a hard on for the weekend.