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And Revis committed several penalties. He played poorly that game. Revis' bluster about erasing after that performance is just childish.Not really.
Smith caught 3 balls for 44 yards and 1 TD and then Revis erased him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000456461/article/revis-on-steve-smith-after-td-he-got-erased
I know for a fact that Green didn't score his TD on Revis, so I'm just gonna assume the rest of those numbers are incorrect as well.
And in regards to that last sentence - it's because it's true. No WR had the success Antonio Brown had against Butler this year.
First drive: Brown has two catches, both BEHIND the line of scrimmage, one for an 8-yard loss.
Amazing catch by Brown, with GREAT coverage by Butler - omg, what a catch! Brown 3-for-3 so far, but Butler's been there perfectly.
4-for-4 - Butler out there alone with 2 receivers and picked on a quick slant.
Great coverage 1-on-1 by Butler on Brown to end the drive. Blanketing him. I'm surprised that BB is letting him go 1-on-1 with Brown in a third down situation. Amazing.
Another bubble screen to Brown - played perfectly by Butler for a big hit. Brown is like 5-for-6 at this point, but four of them have been at or behind the LOS, and the 5th was a simply unbelievable catch against perfect coverage.
And then Brown just beats Butler for a 37-yard bomb - Butler didn't get a jam on him from the slot position.
Double move, Brown beats Butler for 33.
Brown on a crossing pattern gets open...nice pass. Butler got picked a bit by Fletcher.
Ben hits Brown - good coverage by Butler, but well-executed.
Can't believe Brown caught that TD against Butler...how did Butler miss that ball? Lol.
Recap: People who thought Butler played badly are just wrong. You wouldn't put many on Brown 1-v-1, especially with Bryant and Bell out, but they did.
He got beat twice for a total of 70 yards, but the other 7 completions were an AMAZING catch under great coverage, a TD that Butler just whiffed on while having great coverage, two crossing routes well-executed and a bunch of bubble screens. I'll take it.
I watched the Pitt game the day after, on tape, and played particular attention to the Brown v. Butler duel, after reading about it here. Here's what I posted in my recap - culling out just the pertinent posts:
He's not Revis, no, but Antonio Brown didn't abuse him, either. Of his first 5 catches, four were behind the line or pick plays that Revis wouldn't have stopped, either, and the 5th was one of the most incredible catches I've seen - one announcer described it like a video game glitch where both avatars are occupying the same space. That one and the end-zone catch with .02 left...
Brown legitimately burned Butler twice. Antonio Brown can legitimately burn any but the very top corners in the league twice in any game with Ben throwing him the ball. The guy is insanely good, and BB
thought enough of butler to put him out there and let him take his lumps.
The only corners I've ever seen that I'll compare to Revis in his prime are Mike Haynes and Primetime, with honorable mention to Ty Law. Revis is just that good.
But Brady6's points are true, too - I've watched the Jets this year and people aren't throwing much at Revis (they've played crap, so take that for what it's worth), but he's grabbing on every play. He's still probably top-5, maybe top-3, but you can see the wear starting...and he had a hammy issue.
And Revis committed several penalties. He played poorly that game. Revis' bluster about erasing after that performance is just childish.
Butler is an average #1 CB. Nothing great, but not awful. He would be a solid #2 if we had a legit #1 CB.
I agree with this assessment, but it should not be construed as a bad thing. Dude was an UDFA last year who up until the Super Bowl was fourth on the depth chart. For him to be even an adequate #1 right now is pretty awesome.
Basically the comment was that the Patriots are using the same strategy now that they used to use when Revis was here and are still getting good results.
Disagree, because I don't know how you could possibly have any real basis for defining his ceiling, other than your imagination.I think Butler's ceiling is not HOF but the 2nd tier of above average and dependable like Vontae Davis. I am totally fine with that. If he proves me wrong and becomes a HOF, even better.
How can you possibly tell what natural athletic talent he has? He was never coached by anybody beyond juco and div 2 before reaching the Pats. He wasn't focused and disciplined until he learned from a few hard knocks. No way to tell what his true talent level is. It took quite a bit of talent to overcome that background to get where he is today. Don't sell him short just because he lacks the fancy pedigree and bigtime college exposure.This will be the Achilles heel for a guy like Butler, he "gets" the game for the most part and he has a short-term memory that few CBs possess.
He's also tougher than most CB's I've seen, he loves to hit people, even running backs with 30lbs on him.
His pure athletic talent will be what keeps him from being as good as others, but his future is certainly bright, he's still incredibly young in the NFL and just gets better each practice, but he WILL have a ceiling below the best and he will get beat at times.
Disagree, because I don't know how you could possibly have any real basis for defining his ceiling, other than your imagination.
He is a work in progress, and seems to be working hard at getting better. If he continues to do that for the next few years it is not inconceivable he could merit comparison as a peer of Revis. Time will tell. It will be fun to watch, and root for him.Yes, we have no idea how talented or not Butler will be. It's been four games with poor QBs in 3/4 so far, and even then he's been average--although he seems to be consistently showing good improvement.
He could be Asante Samuel, he could be Ellis Hobbs, he could be McCourty year one, he could be McCourty year two. He could be someone in between all 4 examples. Either way, he's proven to have value as an UDFA, but there's also way too small of a sample size to draw much from just yet.
I do think it's safe to say that he doesn't suck, and that something can be built upon.
And the schedule looking forward is Luck/Hasselbeck, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Cousins, Eli, Taylor, Payton, Bradford, Hoyer/Mallett, Mariota, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill. Not exactly murder's row. I'll be OK dealing with us having to deal with Rodgers if/when it comes to that. No doubt we'd feel better with Revis, but he just wasn't an option without making ourselves vulnerable in so many other places, and despite what we think, BB just wasn't going to go there.Tyrod Taylor, Brandon Weeden, and Blake Bortles will tend to help that cause, but yes---I agree with you that it's been effective so far.
I know. Pedigree is overrated. See Brady, Tom for a fine example. Sure, it's a confidence booster that someone can do it at a big-time school. That doesn't mean there aren't many who slipped through the cracks and won't excel in the NFL. Given we don't get the prime draft picks we should be used to our roll of not being able to scoop up pedigree college athletes.Don't sell him short just because he lacks the fancy pedigree and bigtime college exposure.
No doubt we'd feel better with Revis, but he just wasn't an option without making ourselves vulnerable in so many other places, and despite what we think, BB just wasn't going to go there.