Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Sivy, Jan 25, 2008.
im not asking, I already know the answer.
At the age of 30 Brady is the best ever, what he will be at the end of his career is something else all together. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride.
I like how peyton mannings isnt mentioned in either of their top fives.
Well, at this point in his career, he doesn't warrant it. And I think people realize that now. Frankly, I don't think Favre is in the convo of top 5 either. Brady and Montana is obvious, but you do also have to say Elway and Unitas... that really only leaves you 1 more spot. And Manning doesn't fit in there as well as Starr, Staubach, or a Marino.
Unless Manning adds another ring he won't be in that conversation...
My top 5
No Brady sux!
Wait......aren't we all forgetting that Tom Brady is overrated????
He's in the team picture, as they say. He needs to win this SB and one more for it to not even be questioned. If he has 5 rings, no one can touch him. Rings trump stats anyday and it won't really matter what his career totals are.
.....Rings and WINS!
I still can't believe he is 100-26 as a starter, that is sick especially considering the playoff record of 14-2 and being an AFC Team. He has more 4th Quarter comebacks than loses. Sick, sick , sick.
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My two cents on the "Best Ever" debate.
QBs that leave the pocket and "improvise" seem to earn more acclaim than they deserve. Their athletism earns them credibility points with the fanboy crowd because they leave the protection of their offensive line and appear to single handedly lead their teams down field. (My fondest memories of Steve Grogan are him running around behind the line of scrimmage like a chicken without a head and then delivering.)
Favre is the classic... "I'm blowing this play up and and just winging it". Romo seems to be the heir apparent to Favre ... entertaining, memorable football that earn these QBs style points and grey hair for coaches.
Montana and Young both had the athletism to move around outside the pocket as gameplanned, both were extemely accurate, and both won. These two were the ultimate "Systems QB". (Which is a good thing) Bill Walsh understood their skill set and designed an offense that used his QBs' athleticism as a weapon in a controlled environment. Watching that offense operate was a thing of beauty. Montana and Young are most definitely higher on my list than Favre because of the "smarts" both displayed.
Now when you talk about Brady, different adjectives are used. Pocket awareness, mechanics, field vision....all less exciting than watching a scrambling QB escape trouble.
With regards to the "Best Ever" debate, Brady made giant strides this year because of his mind numbing statistics. The national audience has been able to witness first hand Brady stepping out in front of his teammates and delivering TDs and wins in spectacular fashion. Brady has brought excitement inside the pocket. The memories of Brady's record breaking performances are now inside the minds of the nation, next to memories of Brady's SB victories, MVPs, winning streaks and displays of leadership. Because of his personal successes this year, the naysayers have no ammo left to assault his status as the the "Best Ever".
Now hear me out on this, Brady's no. 1 attribute, the thing that makes him who he is, is his humility. I think the best thing that ever happened to Tom Brady was that he was the 199th pick in his draft. I mean, how many times have we heard him say, "Well, I'm just not that good, I was number 199". He doesn't use that fact to give him a chip on his shoulder, he uses it to convince himself that he really isn't that good and he needs to work harder.
Think about this, Peyton can never use this line of thinking. He was the number 1 pick, and has shown that he probably deserved to be the number 1 pick. In his mind, he's the best. I've never heard Peyton ever say he isn't the best, but I hear Brady say it all the time. I think his drive comes from being able to convince himself that he sucks and that he's always playing catch up.
Yeah, he's just a "system" Quarterback.
(since some people are really jumpy out here this week and missing a lot of jokes, I'm going to point out that I'm being sarcastic)
When Brady wins or loses, he talks about how he - and the offense - could have done better. When Manning wins or loses you never hear anything about how he or the offense could have done better. But you do hear him make the - ahem - comments about how positions could have - ahem - played better. Geeesh. Class act.
Montana is still tops for me as best QB ever but Brady is in 2nd place and moving up on Joe quickly
yes, but ... I don't have the stats in front of me, but Brady's got to almost all milestones faster than Montana. And, from memory which could certainly be wrong, I think Brady's playoff WL percentage is still better. And Brady already matches Montana with 3 SB rings. And now all of the QB records that Brady has put up. dunno ....
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Montana has 4, so if the Patriots win this SB, Brady will have him (as well as Bradshaw) matched in rings.
Montana played in 23 playoff games and was 16-7.
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