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that was the best thread i ever read, totally awesome man.
Thanks Frank, I don't know that it's that good, but I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Excellent post Brownfan80, I am a new poster so I just wanted to start posting.
Don't doubt BrownFan80. I got this in my PMs this afternoon.
I posted this in a thread where it really didn't belong, so I figured I'd throw it up as it's own thread. This is a hypothetical that (hopefully) can help put things back in perspective for the Panic Button folks.
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Imagine: Right after the loss to Denver in the playoffs last season when you were at your most negative, wondering what happened to Tom Terrific and our bunch of blue collar no mistake players and the magic that had carried us through post-seasons past, some one approaches you. They tell you they've seen the future of the Patriots offseason.
They tell you that it only gets worse after the Denver loss. They tell you that Givens leaves for the money. They tell you that Willie does the same. They tell you that Adam Vinatieri leaves for a little more money and goes to the hated Colts.
At this point you're shocked.
They tell you that both Dwight and Davis leave to rival teams and that once promising Bethel Johnson is traded for a bust DT.
They tell you Branch holds out and creates an enormous distraction that goes sour when the Patriots won't pay him enough to make him forget the 5 year deal he was 'forced' to sign. They tell you that Branch is traded to Seattle for a future 1st rounder, which sounds good until you realize that Brady now has only Troy Brown at his disposal.
They tell you that Brady's trusted WRs are replaced with a 2nd round rookie, a scrap-heap reject, a WR traded in for a 5th rounder, and a street free agent.
They tell you that Rodney Harrison makes it back from his knee injury, but then breaks his shoulder at the midway point.
They tell you that Junior Seau retires, and then unretires to join the Patriots. They tell you that Seau, in all his age, starts for the Patriots at ILB.
They tell you that your depth at CB consists of Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel and Chad Scott after Randall Gay is put on IR and Poteat Bongos is dropped and grabbed up by the hated Jets.
They tell you that Tom Brady through half a season posts his lowest passer rating of his career and lowest completion percentage. They tell you that the Patriots start three different players at right tackle depending on the week. They tell you that Billy Yates starts a couple games at Guard.
They tell you that both of your primary ST/backup safeties are lost to IR and that your primary depth at ILB suffers the same fate. They tell you that Troy Brown is playing in the secondary again.
They tell you that the Patriots draft a runningback in the first round even though Manny Lawson is still on the board and have the rookie split carries with Corey Dillon evenly. You remember Corey's days with Rudi Johnson and cringe.
They tell you that the Patriots draft another first day TE. You remember that Graham and Watson are already on the roster and cringe.
They tell you that Troy Brown is the third QB on the roster. You laugh at the mental image of Troy under center.
They tell you that only Troy Brown and the scrap-heap reject WR have a full training camp with Brady. They tell you that the 5th round trade WR and the 2nd round pick Rookie WR both have hamstring issues and miss all but a collective two weeks of TC. They tell you that Ben Watson is the leading reciever on the team.
They tell you that almost the entire media is picking the Dolphins to win the East after they acquire Dante Culpepper.
Having listened to all that, you actually nod. 'We've lost too many players', you think to yourself, 'We're thin in the secondary, we've got ZERO dependable WRs besides 75 year old Troy Brown, and we have no depth at LB.. And Seau is starting??'.. You think to yourself, 'And Corey is splitting time with a rookie?? He must be killing the locker room with his anger, he must have become a cancer like in Cincy. A first round RB?? With a star LB still on the board??' and 'Our OL is banged up again? A rookie starting at RT and a first year player stepping in at G?' and 'Troy Brown at CB -AGAIN-?'
You take a deep breath and imagine how hard the season must have gone for your Patriots. It makes you sort of sad, being that they just lost in the playoffs for the first time in Brady's career.
The visitor from the Future smiles and then tells you the Patriots are actually 6-2 at the midway point and the nearest team in the division is 4-4.
Are you surpised?
Looking back at all that's happened, I would be.
I am.
Great post BrownFan. A true classic.
I might quibble with some of what you say, but some fans saw it all that way, no doubt. Myself, I can't believe we're able to survive the LB situation, but I'm happy to be wrong. Other moves, I see as necessary friction to improve.
One thing I must say, in all honesty, is I was not down except for a moment after the Denver loss.
Last year was excrutiating with the loss of coaches, BB's father dying and the most unbelievable string of injuries I have ever seen on both sides of the ball.
That team had no business in the playoffs, even in that weak division. To beat a tough young team like Jacksonville was a hell of an effort.
By the time they got to Denver, they looked like survivors from 20 years of war. They were spent, physically and emotionally. They gave it every last ounce of effort, but there was nothing left in the tank, IMO.
I actually got up and applauded their effort, as a normal team wouldn't have finished over .500.
I knew they would get healthy and find some new players.
The one thing you can't get over the off season is a heart transplant and isn't that what most of the pretenders are lacking?
I posted this in a thread where it really didn't belong, so I figured I'd throw it up as it's own thread. This is a hypothetical that (hopefully) can help put things back in perspective for the Panic Button folks.
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Imagine: Right after the loss to Denver in the playoffs last season when you were at your most negative, wondering what happened to Tom Terrific and our bunch of blue collar no mistake players and the magic that had carried us through post-seasons past, some one approaches you. They tell you they've seen the future of the Patriots offseason.
They tell you that it only gets worse after the Denver loss. They tell you that Givens leaves for the money. They tell you that Willie does the same. They tell you that Adam Vinatieri leaves for a little more money and goes to the hated Colts.
At this point you're shocked.
They tell you that both Dwight and Davis leave to rival teams and that once promising Bethel Johnson is traded for a bust DT.
They tell you Branch holds out and creates an enormous distraction that goes sour when the Patriots won't pay him enough to make him forget the 5 year deal he was 'forced' to sign. They tell you that Branch is traded to Seattle for a future 1st rounder, which sounds good until you realize that Brady now has only Troy Brown at his disposal.
They tell you that Brady's trusted WRs are replaced with a 2nd round rookie, a scrap-heap reject, a WR traded in for a 5th rounder, and a street free agent.
They tell you that Rodney Harrison makes it back from his knee injury, but then breaks his shoulder at the midway point.
They tell you that Junior Seau retires, and then unretires to join the Patriots. They tell you that Seau, in all his age, starts for the Patriots at ILB.
They tell you that your depth at CB consists of Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel and Chad Scott after Randall Gay is put on IR and Poteat Bongos is dropped and grabbed up by the hated Jets.
They tell you that Tom Brady through half a season posts his lowest passer rating of his career and lowest completion percentage. They tell you that the Patriots start three different players at right tackle depending on the week. They tell you that Billy Yates starts a couple games at Guard.
They tell you that both of your primary ST/backup safeties are lost to IR and that your primary depth at ILB suffers the same fate. They tell you that Troy Brown is playing in the secondary again.
They tell you that the Patriots draft a runningback in the first round even though Manny Lawson is still on the board and have the rookie split carries with Corey Dillon evenly. You remember Corey's days with Rudi Johnson and cringe.
They tell you that the Patriots draft another first day TE. You remember that Graham and Watson are already on the roster and cringe.
They tell you that Troy Brown is the third QB on the roster. You laugh at the mental image of Troy under center.
They tell you that only Troy Brown and the scrap-heap reject WR have a full training camp with Brady. They tell you that the 5th round trade WR and the 2nd round pick Rookie WR both have hamstring issues and miss all but a collective two weeks of TC. They tell you that Ben Watson is the leading reciever on the team.
They tell you that almost the entire media is picking the Dolphins to win the East after they acquire Dante Culpepper.
Having listened to all that, you actually nod. 'We've lost too many players', you think to yourself, 'We're thin in the secondary, we've got ZERO dependable WRs besides 75 year old Troy Brown, and we have no depth at LB.. And Seau is starting??'.. You think to yourself, 'And Corey is splitting time with a rookie?? He must be killing the locker room with his anger, he must have become a cancer like in Cincy. A first round RB?? With a star LB still on the board??' and 'Our OL is banged up again? A rookie starting at RT and a first year player stepping in at G?' and 'Troy Brown at CB -AGAIN-?'
You take a deep breath and imagine how hard the season must have gone for your Patriots. It makes you sort of sad, being that they just lost in the playoffs for the first time in Brady's career.
The visitor from the Future smiles and then tells you the Patriots are actually 6-2 at the midway point and the nearest team in the division is 4-4.
Are you surpised?
Looking back at all that's happened, I would be.
I am.
Considering I wrote this on 8/11/06, when much of that had already transpired:
I can't say that I am surprised at either NE's success or their large AFCE lead.
That said, I think you did a fabulous job of helping us shift our focus from the minor negative points to the overall positive position this team is in. I stil am not convinced that NE isn't the best team in the league. Yes, it perturbs me that NE has looked discombobulated during their two major tests, but for now I can explain each one away. Another and I will have to admit that NE might be a very good, but not great team.
Neither am I really. My pre-season prognostication for the AFCE was spot on, even if others were pre-mature, ( like a Colts' collapse). I predicted the Pats by a margin of several games and the rest of the AFCE bunched right around .500.
- I recognized that Miami was way over rated and the Achilles heel was the O-line, despite Tampax's protestations.
- The Jets were much better than their 2005 season when they lost both the starting QB and his backup. Think what the Pats record would be if they were playing not Brady or Cassel but some street scrub like
Todd Mortenson.- The Bills have a Defense, not deep but a Defense nonetheless. They have some talented Skill players outside the QB position. They needed to have Losman start to mature in his third year.:singing:
They didn't tell you about the spectacular draft the team had in '07?
I'm still waiting for the perfect Pats season free from major injuries. A low drama season of winning and collecting another superbowl trophy.
There was a comment that this edition of the Patriots is "...not as tight..." as the earlier Super Bowl clubs. I agree, but those were old mature clubs full of end of career players playing for the Last Hurrah.
This club is y-o-u-n-g. If Dillon is no longer a starter, there is NOT A SINGLE starter on offense who has even reached thirty; yet we have a deep O line, great TEs, a HOF QB, a pair of franchise RBs,. and five WRs any or all of whom are at least #2 types, even if no one is a sure #1. It has a record setting third down back and near league leaders at KO and PR. It is scoring at a rate to make it a leaguer power on Offense.
And I haven't even spoken of the balanced top 5 Defense, full of rising stars as well as a leaven of old pros. I was worried after 3 - 4 games that the D seemed to have lost the ability to force turnovers, usually a premonition of coming failure. But... not... anymore...!
Young teams make mistakes and turnovers, if they play Offense. But young good, squads get better, too.