Fanfrom1960
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brdmaverick said:Do you think Adam would be able to get all these endorsement deals elsewhere? I don't think so.
New (perish the thought) York?
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Dallas???? I really do hope they keep him...having a solid kicker CLUTCH..is key in close games..UNLESS they really want a rook...OR another kicker and wait to get a rook...LOL...really keep AdamV!!!Fanfrom1960 said:New (perish the thought) York?
He's already the highest paid kicker in the league. He is also one of the best kickers in the league, but is he THE best? It's a debatable question. So, if he is such a "good guy" as you say, let him sign a reasonable contract rather than looking for a significant raise over his already highest salary. If he is unwilling to do that, sign another good kicker.Mainefan said:One more thing. Adam is a key part of the emotional core of the Patriots. He's one of the good guys. His kicks have give us all a great deal of pleasure in the last few years. Unless we absolutely cannot afford him, I want him back.
Mainefan said:One more thing. Adam is a key part of the emotional core of the Patriots. He's one of the good guys. His kicks have give us all a great deal of pleasure in the last few years. Unless we absolutely cannot afford him, I want him back.
Well put. And btw..I love it when grown men call other grown men idiots for having a different opinion.dryheat44 said:Of course you're assuming two things:
1) That another professional kicker, one of the best 32 in the world, is absolutely going to miss the kick.
2) Vinatieri absolutely would have made it.
Those are two bold assumptions, with no supporting evidence.
PromisedLand said:He's already the highest paid kicker in the league. He is also one of the best kickers in the league, but is he THE best? It's a debatable question. So, if he is such a "good guy" as you say, let him sign a reasonable contract rather than looking for a significant raise over his already highest salary. If he is unwilling to do that, sign another good kicker.
Brady'sButtBoy said:Nedney's numbers are equal or better then AV's in terms of percentages when looking at under 50 yds. Nedney,(who has never missed inside 30yds and is 102 for 110 under 40yds), hits for 81%, AV for 74% from 49yds or closer. These are regular season stats only and, yes, AV has intangibles that come from his execution under pressure.
Since kicking FG's of longer than 50yds is falling out of vogue - AV only tried 2 this year and missed them both - Nedney's accuracy is attractive.
But, and this is a big but, how much would we save in cash and how would that be offest by losing AV's intangibles?
My guess is Nedney signs for about $1.3 mil with a small bonus, is that $1.2 to $2million/yr we save enough to let AV go? Considering all the young players coming up for new contracts that money could go a long way.
Good analysis. My position was based on principle, but I didn't go through and look at who is available. If you say there are no other good kickers available I'll take your word for it. Having said that, I still think there is a limit to how much you pay for a kicker.MoLewisrocks said:Again folks there is not another good kicker available. Adam's replacement needs to be a proven cold weather kicker who can also handle kickoffs. Green Bay's Longwell might fit the bill but they are rumored to be franchising him and if not HE wants to be highest paid and is very vocal about how a cushy warm weather or indoor job would prolong his career. The other veterans on the FA list are his age or a lot older, kick in temperate climates or indoors, or have had serious injuries and missed seasons, or choked in the clutch, etc. And most of them would cost close to $2M anyway.
Picture AV filling Vanderjerk's void in Indy for a while and get back to me. Don't think they wouldn't jump at the chance since they were paying Vanderjerk just to kick FG's and carry another guy to handle kickoffs.
dryheat44 said:Of course you're assuming two things:
1) That another professional kicker, one of the best 32 in the world, is absolutely going to miss the kick.
2) Vinatieri absolutely would have made it.
Those are two bold assumptions, with no supporting evidence.
fgssand said:Is there any other kicker you would want on your team at that moment? If you say no then you must agree he is worth 3MM. If that is the price tag to provide the best chance of success at the most crucial moment count me in please.
dhamz said:I'm not sure that makes sense. So if Adam is the kicker I want over any other, do I also have to agree he is worth 10 MM a year or is it just 3? I didn't know wanting him was absolutely equal to wanting him at any price.
fgssand said:Not at any price, just the market price, which is not 10MM - it happens to be, from the looks of things last years salary & 20% = franchise tag = worst case.
My point all along has been the squabbling over 1MM or even as much as 1.5MM is relatively short money for the value AV brings.