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  1. carolinatony

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    They have pressured Rodgers on every play.
    Their record has been 7-9 ish so its not like they drafted in the top 5-7 every year. It appears they have drafted well.
    Man; I am jealous.
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    speed and lots of it..they fly to the ball
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    almost all their talent is on the defensive side.
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    We have speed as well. It is the schemes. Some of these coaches are letting it lose.
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    Their D got good by actually putting good defensive players on the field. Shocking right?
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    I'm still not convinced they have great depth though. I think the key to that game is gonna be turning up the tempo and tiring them out. Seahawks offense is less then scary. Take away lynch and force Wilson to beat you with a bunch of scrubs at WR.
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    Not rocket science......if you suck hard enough to get earlier draft picks often enough and don't choke on them (see Jesters), you will by default end up with some nice talent.

    That and they play aggressive......must be nice.......kudos to them.
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    1. Drafted Earl Thomas in the first round. Awesome free safety.

    2. Found Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor in the fifth round. Sherman is one of the three best corners in football (not exaggerating) and Chancellor is a talented, hard hitter at safety.

    3. Red Bryant turned into a superstar - a dominant defensive tackle who completely shuts down the run to his side of the field.

    4. Turned the pick we traded them for Deion Branch into KJ Wright, again in the fifth round - Wright is a monster and making tackles all over the field.

    5. Found Chris Clemons off the scrap heap - can't stop the run but he can sure rush the passer all day long.

    They have maybe the best secondary in football and now with Irvin, Branch and Clemons can rush the passer too. Add to that a crazy home field atmosphere and there's a reason the Seahawks play well at home.
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    That is a really nice young group in that secondary and it kind of annoys me. Look at the size of those guys heh.

    I feel like that the seahawks D started rising ever since they drafted Earl Thomas.
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    Earl Thomas is a stud. The AFC West is stacked with defense. It's interesting observing divisional arms races.
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    As with most teams with good defenses, it's a combination of good drafting/personnel moves, luck, and good defensive scheming.

    - Luck: The Schneider Carroll regime inherited a couple of very good players in DT Brandon Mebane and DE/DT Red Bryant. Mebane was taken in the 3rd round in the 2007 draft, Bryant in the 4th round in 2008. Bryant in particular is a stud, and the Pats made a run at him in free agency this year. He has some Ngata-esque movement skills for a big man.

    - Good Personnel Move: The Seahawks picked up Alan Branch after he was cut by Arizona prior to the 2011 season. I thought Branch would be a stud when he came out in the 2007 draft, but he was somewhat soft and slipped to the top of the 2nd round. It took him a while, but he's a very good interior player along with Mebane.

    - Great Personnel Move: Seattle traded Darryl Tapp for Chris Clemons in 2010. This was a specific move made after Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks. Clemons had bounced between Washington (twice), Cleveland, Oakland and Philadelphia. Seattle saw him as a perfect fit for the Leo role in Carroll's defensive scheme. He ended up being that and more, as he is a very strong edge setter given his size.

    - Luck/Good Personnel Move: The Seahawks took Earl Thomas at #14 in the 2011 draft. Thomas may be the best FS to come out since Ed Reed. I had suggested prior to the 2010 draft that the Pats would take a DB with their #1 pick, and the guy I was hoping might just possibly slip to #22 was Thomas. It didn't happen. The "luck" was that Philly, who badly needed safety help, traded up to #13 ahead of the Seahawks but instead chose DE Brandon Graham.

    - Luck/Great Personnel Move: The Seahawks took Standard CB Richard Sherman at #155 in the 5th round in 2011. The "luck" was 31 other teams repeatedly passing on him, including the Pats. Sherman was my day 3 binky in 2011. He had incredibly size/speed with fluid hips, combined with terrific smarts and processing speed. I thought he would be a stud, and he is. Imagine a secondary with Sherman-McCourty as the starting CBs. This was Drew Boylhart's profile on Sherman prior to the 2011 draft:

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/archive/Player.Profiles/2011.Profiles/Richard.Sherman.htm

    There are others - the KJ Wright pick, as noted. Here's Boylhart's profile on Wright:

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/Free/archive/Player.Profiles/2011.Profiles/KJ.Wright.htm

    Amazing what getting 3 day 3 studs (Bryant, Sherman and Wright) plus a Pro Bowler off the scrap heap (Clemons) can do for your defense.

    The Seahawks also deserve credit for dumping Aaron Curry after they drafted Wright. Wright has been everything that Curry wasn't. The coaching staff has clearly done a good job of developing guys like Wright and Sherman, and in building an aggressive, attacking defense. I'm a little jealous.

    It's an impressive defense. FWIW, NFL.com previewed the Seahawks' defense earlier this week:

    Seattle Seahawks' defense emerging as one of NFL's best units - NFL.com

    I suggested earlier this year that the Pats' road trip to Seattle would be one of their toughest games. It will be interesting to see how Brady and company do compared to Rodgers and the Pack.
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    Couldn't have said it better myself. They play a funky 4-3 where the LDE on first and second down is essentially a DT, then on third down they just go balls out. The secondary is the key though - Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor are the best pair of safeties in the league hands down, and Sherman is an absolute superstar. Their defense displays some of the fundamentals of the Tampa 2 (not surprising as their DC worked under Monte Kiffin at Tampa for a couple of years), but at times it resembles the Steelers one gap 3-4.

    It's beautiful in it's design and effectiveness.
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    We have McCourty and Arrignton.

    With that being said, I'm not looking forward to going up to Seattle anymore with what I saw happen to Rodgers, the # 1 ranked QB! :eek:

    So much for that "easy" Patriots schedule this season.
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    At least their offense is suspect.
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    Not to take anything away from the Seahawk's defense, but have people watched the Packers' offense this year? There is definitely something wrong there. Their o-line sucks. Rodgers has been sacked 16 times in three weeks. If this trend continues, he will finish the season being sacked a whopping 85 times this season.
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    Rodgers isn't the #1 rated QB THIS YEAR. He has been pretty average so far this year. Going into this game, he passed for 522 yards, 3 TDs, and 2 INTs and been sacked 8 times in the first two games.

    As bad as we trash the Pats' o-line, the Pats have five Pro Bowlers manning the line compared to the Packers' o-line.
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    Wouldn't you like to see one Patriot secondary player make a play on a ball just as the receiver is going to catch it? Man I hate it when all our corners do is try to tackle a receiver after they have caught it and have already gone five yards. Our secondary bites, big time.

    I've been on the BB Kool-Aid a long time but he can't draft, or find, good secondary players to save his life.
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    It helps if you play in Seattle for at least 8 games during the season
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    Their secondary is huge (biggest in NFL history) and beats people up at the line of scrimmage, disrupting the timing between QB/WR.

    Browner is 6'4"
    Sherman 6'3"

    They sacrifice speed/agility for length

    Kam Chancellor (safety) is also 6'3" 230 or something.
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    If anybody was committed to jamming receivers it was the 2001 Bill Belichick. What the hell went wrong after that? Well, to his credit he scooped Rodney, and he held onto Ty for as long as he could. But sheesh, after those accomplishments, well Samuel was pretty good but he wouldn't jam a slice of bread would he?
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    I think he has a real hard time drafting WR, RB and DB.

    Think about it, our best RBs in his era have all been through FA. Our best WRs have all been through FA. Our best ever safety came through FA.

    Too many drafted DBs seem to flash great potential and then regress.
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    Well....Ras-I seemed like a move in a different direction but god knows what's up with that dude and McCourty is no smaller than Revis though Revis seems far more powerful at that size.
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    It seems as though we need people that can pop receivers in the five yards. I may be mistaken but isn't that how people neutralized Randy? You can't let him run free. We let guys run free and cover over the top with the safety, but that's like an invitation to give up yards. We don't take QB-WR groupings out of what they like to do. What they don't like to do is never know where the receivers will be because somebody popped them and they're trying to recover on a different route.
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    The ***** of this is that McCourty seems to possess Revis type physical skills, and he actually proved that long, long ago in the distant past.

    Ras is another enigma that just defies explanation. He does break the midget mold but he sits on the bench all friggin day long.

    With a safety ALWAYS over the top why can't one of these guys take on a receiver at the LOS and smack him around a little? Take the effer out of the play! Why do we need to let them always run free? It's like chasing free range chickens all day. "Crap, I missed that one. Those little suckers are QUICK man. Oh, crap, I missed another one. Oh well, coach what do you think? Should we keep trying to catch them or can we shoot one at the LOS once in a while?"
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    couldn't agree more. I think BB is a great head coach but he is terrible in evaluating and drafting certain positions and those being the WR,RB and DB position.

    IMO he needs to hire a real defensive guru to be the DC and Patricia needs to go.
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