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Honestly, how is the spread 9.5?


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I just don't see where they're getting the 9.5 from. We usually beat the Ravens but it's always a close FG/TD game.

Perhaps they saw the Ravens D gassed out in Denver and figure because they had to play 6 quarters and are old anyway that they'll run out of steam and we'll keep piling up points.

I hope they blow them out, but I see the Pats winning another game that is decided in the 4th quarter.
 
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I just don't see where they're getting the 9.5 from. We usually beat the Ravens but it's always a close FG/TD game.

Perhaps they saw the Ravens D gassed out in Denver and figure because they had to play 6 quarters and are old anyway that they'll run out of steam and we'll keep piling up points.

I hope they blow them out, but I see the Pats winning another game that is decided in the 4th quarter.

This Sunday will feature this Sunday's teams. They will not feature teams from September 2012, the AFCCG in January 2012 or a divisional playoff game in January 2009.
Vegas could give significant weight to those past teams/past games or they can give significant weight to each team's strength and weaknesses as of January 17, 2013.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping they blow them out, I just think the Ravens have more of a fight in them than the Texans did. Then again, based on what we saw last week, they could be just gassed on defense.
 
Maybe a mod will sticky this site so this never ending dog chasing its' tail issue will meet a merciful,quick end...

As you all know, when you place a straight wager on the pointspread of a football or basketball game, you need to risk $110 to win $100. The $10 difference between risk and payout is known as the juice, or the vigorish, or “vig” and is the reason sportsbooks are in business. Sportsbooks essentially act as a broker between you and another player who wants to bet on the other team and collects the small commission as compensation for brokering the deal and handling the transfer of funds between the two of you. This is important to understand, because it leads me to the biggest misconception in sports wagering. The pointspread is not the handicapper’s predicted margin-of-victory, but it is in fact the handicapper’s prediction of what number will be required to split the wagering evenly on both teams. Understanding that little tid-bit is the first step towards taking advantage of the numbers

Pointspreads Explained: How bookmakers set the betting line | TheSpread.com

the point spread has ZERO to do with how YOU feel one team is better than the other. You and all your friends and even all the people you don't like can scream and shout that the Ravens or the Pats should be giving or getting no more than three points and it STILL MEANS ZERO as far as setting the line. Get it???????
 
Maybe a mod will sticky this site so this never ending dog chasing its' tail issue will meet a merciful,quick end...

As you all know, when you place a straight wager on the pointspread of a football or basketball game, you need to risk $110 to win $100. The $10 difference between risk and payout is known as the juice, or the vigorish, or “vig” and is the reason sportsbooks are in business. Sportsbooks essentially act as a broker between you and another player who wants to bet on the other team and collects the small commission as compensation for brokering the deal and handling the transfer of funds between the two of you. This is important to understand, because it leads me to the biggest misconception in sports wagering. The pointspread is not the handicapper’s predicted margin-of-victory, but it is in fact the handicapper’s prediction of what number will be required to split the wagering evenly on both teams. Understanding that little tid-bit is the first step towards taking advantage of the numbers

Pointspreads Explained: How bookmakers set the betting line | TheSpread.com

the point spread has ZERO to do with how YOU feel one team is better than the other. You and all your friends and even all the people you don't like can scream and shout that the Ravens or the Pats should be giving or getting no more than three points and it STILL MEANS ZERO as far as setting the line. Get it???????


I don't imagine that the sportsbooks felt any more comfortable about setting this week's line lower after the Pats ended up covering close to double digits anyway vs HOU last Sunday, so that may also be a reason why some people feel the number is a bit higher. I haven't seen the pointspread records for popular, high scoring teams like the Pats/Broncos/Packers etc this year (currently) but I do know that Vegas was having a hell of a time with the over/under total number on Pats games, both this year and last. They couldn't move that number high enough to attract equal action on the "under," particularly in divisional matchups where we tend to go over a lot in the past few years.

It all comes down to your explanation. They try to bring as much equal action as possible on both sides, so that they can sit back, relax, and collect their 10% on each bet. Sometimes that does not happen, but that is obviously the intended outcome. They also make up for some of it by driving the "vig" or the juice up before the number changes. It's certainly not always just 10 percent.

For example, if you wanted to bet NE-8 right now you could at -115 (it's actually 15 percent in a lot of places), but the more action they see on this price will drive the "vig" up even more BEFORE the line actually moves on the point scale. As more and more people continue to hammer the -8 line, the "vig" will move up too. I have had plenty of examples where I've had to wager -120 or even -125 to win back 100 (equaling 20 or 25 percent juice) on a bet if they aren't ready to move the number yet. I would imagine that also helps to offset any one sided games even more. Once the juice becomes too high to attract equal betting (usually around -120 or -125) only THEN do they move the actual number.

Keep in mind that these playoff games also draw a ton of proposition bets. Over/Under on number of passing yards from Tom Brady, Joe Flacco. The same with rushing yards for different players, etc. Those prop bets often are one sided, and based a lot more on the "vig" moving up/down, rather than the number of yards moving up/down. There are many bets that don't pay nearly enough (just like in baseball, which is not based on a pointspread system for about 90% of their action, although that option does exist) to prove worthy enough to waste your time or money on, just due to the fact that Vegas has the juice set at -150 and -160 on many items.
 
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Maybe a mod will sticky this site so this never ending dog chasing its' tail issue will meet a merciful,quick end...

As you all know, when you place a straight wager on the pointspread of a football or basketball game, you need to risk $110 to win $100. The $10 difference between risk and payout is known as the juice, or the vigorish, or “vig” and is the reason sportsbooks are in business. Sportsbooks essentially act as a broker between you and another player who wants to bet on the other team and collects the small commission as compensation for brokering the deal and handling the transfer of funds between the two of you. This is important to understand, because it leads me to the biggest misconception in sports wagering. The pointspread is not the handicapper’s predicted margin-of-victory, but it is in fact the handicapper’s prediction of what number will be required to split the wagering evenly on both teams. Understanding that little tid-bit is the first step towards taking advantage of the numbers

Pointspreads Explained: How bookmakers set the betting line | TheSpread.com

the point spread has ZERO to do with how YOU feel one team is better than the other. You and all your friends and even all the people you don't like can scream and shout that the Ravens or the Pats should be giving or getting no more than three points and it STILL MEANS ZERO as far as setting the line. Get it???????

Joker, I am not arguing against their ultimate motivation is to make money, and that they make money by trying to make sure both sides get equal action. However, does that mean they make no effort/have no stake in getting the spread accurate to the actual game? If they don't and the opening spread is based only on which way they believe the money will come in, the bettors have pretty good intuition. As mentioned in an earlier post of mine, a two year track record shows spreads (based on approx. 175 games that had spreads of 7 or better) came within a couple of percent from being half the time the underdog covered the spread, half the time the favorite beat the spread (I believe ties were discarded).
Almost right down the middle on their spreads! Hey I skipped statistics class to go slack off :D but that kind of result seems unlikely without using some sort of performance metrics of the opponents playing in the game. No?
 
However, does that mean they make no effort/have no stake in getting the spread accurate to the actual game?

No, they don't. Spreads about about being accurate to actual better whims, not the outcome of a game. If they don't manage action correctly with opening lines they end up heavily exposed to loss.

The Patriots have been a better's dream for years now. That's why they are getting the spread. As was posted in the OP anyone who has watched Ravens/Pats games know they will be close.

But if they opened this game with a spread of less than a TD there would be an inordinate amount of action on the Patriots and the book would be exposed to losses if the Patriots beat the spread.
 
to me, the ravens are weaker than the texans in just about every respect.

they came up against 2 crappy run defenses in the playoffs and managed to do what they do......which is run the ball and do the play action......

I see the eexact thing playing out here......the pats are going to get up a couple of scores and take the ravens out of their bread and butter and it all unravels from there.

their defense has been in on 170 plays the last 2 weeks.....they can't get off the field.....that ain't going to work against the pats.....

also, I don't even think the ravens belong in the AFCC game if it weren't for endless bronco incompetence.......giving up a 70 yard TD pass with less than a minute left while up one TD? really? why does John fox still have a job? why has tony carter not been taken behind the woodshed and shot in the head?

watch the freaking play!!!! carter is running like a 3 year old looking for his balloon!!!

the ravens deserve to be there, but they're frauds.....everyone knows it which is why the world is spending so much time trying to talk them up

if they manage to pull something like that against the pats, then that's life but would you bet on that?

I like the pats with the points........they've simply been there too many times for someone to say they won't be prepared to bring their A game and if they bring their A game the ravens are going down hard
 
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