Goodell on Dan Patrick show

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in case someone is interested. talks about walsh and his unusual demands somewhat.

http://http-trd-l3.cdn.turner.com/s...2008/4/25/DP-Roger_Goodell-4-25_Interview.mp3

 

[bitsygirl]

Wake up Pats Fans! Vote in the stupid poll on ESPN.com. They want to know if the punishment(taking a #1 pick from us) for breaking a stupid rule is enough or not?

 

[patsgo]

Wake up Pats Fans! Vote in the stupid poll on ESPN.com. They want to know if the punishment(taking a #1 pick from us) for breaking a stupid rule is enough or not?

who cares about stupid espn polls

 

[patsfan39]

Wake up Pats Fans! Vote in the stupid poll on ESPN.com. They want to know if the punishment(taking a #1 pick from us) for breaking a stupid rule is enough or not?

it's a poll. It means absolutely nothing.

 

[Rob0729]

Wake up Pats Fans! Vote in the stupid poll on ESPN.com. They want to know if the punishment(taking a #1 pick from us) for breaking a stupid rule is enough or not?

Well now, there is a relevant poll. Why not ask if Shoeless Joe Jackson should be kept out of the Baseball Hall of Fame for the Black Sox scandal while they are at it?

 

[MosiT]

Roger Goodell may say one thing but he actually wants this to keep on going. Covertly he is an anti Patriot piece of crap that was a former Jets employee when he first worked in the NFL.

He has a deep rooted hatred for the Patriots and Bill Belichick and now that he is commissioner he sees his avenue of enflicting heavy damage on them, all the while sounding like he truly wants to get to the bottom of this and end it which he really does not want to do.

He could have ended this a long time ago almost at the very beginning but chose not to do so. He is the catalyst behind all that has happened and make no mistake about it, he is in his glory.

 

[flasox27]

I couldn't agree with you more. Keep in mind that Spector and Goodell's father were pals in the US Senate.

 

[Tbrady12to88]

I don't trust him at all. It's a shame that this mutt has taken the league into the crapper with his inability to do anything right.

I think Bill is probably gone and I can only hope that BK sues the league and in response the other owners realize they have to remove Goodell to save the league. That will be the only good to come from this.

 

[Joker]

FINALLY...some people who see this rat for who he really is...an agent for the NY Rats and backed by influence and power in the biggest media market in the U.S.

For Rat prominence the FIRST order of business is the destruction of the Patriot business model, the Patriot way and ultimately the Patriots market value and marketability....as ANYONE with eyes can see, he's working nonstop to propagate this as "commisioner" of the NFL.

He's NOT my commisioner and he NEVER will be

 

[Tbrady12to88]

FINALLY...some people who see this rat for who he really is...an agent for the NY Rats and backed by influence and power in the biggest media market in the U.S.

For Rat prominence the FIRST order of business is the destruction of the Patriot business model, the Patriot way and ultimately the Patriots market value and marketability....as ANYONE with eyes can see, he's working nonstop to propagate this as "commisioner" of the NFL.

He's NOT my commisioner and he NEVER will be

I'm not nearly as convinced as some that he has these high flying goals to destroy the Patriots due to his past connections. I just think he is very stupid. I'll go one further, I think just because it is the keystone franchise in the game he might be doing his very best to protect us and that this could be 10,000 worse if say this was the Falcons or the Raiders. If it were them he would probably just sign a document saying they cheated and then order the team shut down- all because they had a video camera in the wrong place. I am in disbelief that this guy is running the NFL, I don't think he is qualified to mow my lawn! He surely isn't qualified to mow my lawn and then be asked to explain how he mowed my lawn- that's for sure.

 

[Topher]

Roger Goodell may say one thing but he actually wants this to keep on going. Covertly he is an anti Patriot piece of crap that was a former Jets employee when he first worked in the NFL.

He has a deep rooted hatred for the Patriots and Bill Belichick and now that he is commissioner he sees his avenue of enflicting heavy damage on them, all the while sounding like he truly wants to get to the bottom of this and end it which he really does not want to do.

He could have ended this a long time ago almost at the very beginning but chose not to do so. He is the catalyst behind all that has happened and make no mistake about it, he is in his glory.

I completely agree. All this integrity of the league stuff is BS. Remember, as the head of the league, Goodell is responsible for representing the interests of ALL its teams. Its pretty clear that the interests of the Patriots are not being taken into consideration.

This slanted interview with Dan Patrick is just another example. Patrick clearly takes the Patriots are evil / there must be more wrong doing tone in the interview. And Goodell is completely complicit to this tone in his responses. If Goodell really wanted to be a tough guy, he could show a little emotion and denounce some of these questions / direct the public discourse on this issue.

Instead, he always stresses that "he leaves open the possibility for more punishment" and he is "interested to see what Walsh has," and "the integrity of the league is at issue." How about he stand up for one of his owners, and forcefully say: the Pats got a harsh punishment for violating a taping procedure. If he were to explain that its not really a big deal - and take issue with those who regard it as such - their wouldnt even be a perception that the leagues integrity has been undermined.

At worst, Goodell is scapegoating the Pats, and making decisions based on the opinion of the media. At best, he is incompetent, and has no clue how to appropriately respond to the media. Moreover, at best, he doesnt understand that he is the one who is shaping the public discourse / perception.

 

[flasox27]

Perhaps you overlooked some facts in coming to your conclusions. Starting with the leak of the Pats tape to Fox and his non existent investigation, the destruction of the Pats tapes that likely contained evidence of the Jets filming the Pats, the exoneration of the Jets when they taped the Pats in the 2006 season, the ignoring of the collusion between the Colts and Titans which cost the Browns a playoff spot, the biased piece of crap has done everything in his power to sweep every other rules violaation under the rug so the Pats would remain the only villian and the only one punished. If you think he was protecting the Pats then there is a bridge that you might want to purchase. As for what he would do to another franchise, look at the punishment he gave to the 49ers for tampering, the loss of a 5th round pick and they are a repeat offender.

 

[Topher]

Perhaps you overlooked some facts in coming to your conclusions. Starting with the leak of the Pats tape to Fox and his non existent investigation, the destruction of the Pats tapes that likely contained evidence of the Jets filming the Pats, the exoneration of the Jets when they taped the Pats in the 2006 season, the ignoring of the collusion between the Colts and Titans which cost the Browns a playoff spot, the biased piece of crap has done everything in his power to sweep every other rules violaation under the rug so the Pats would remain the only villian and the only one punished. If you think he was protecting the Pats then there is a bridge that you might want to purchase. As for what he would do to another franchise, look at the punishment he gave to the 49ers for tampering, the loss of a 5th round pick and they are a repeat offender.

Absolutely correct. Which makes me wonder if anyone is aware of an interview with Goodell where the guy is actually challenged. I mean, there is sooo much to challenge him on and ask him about - - but I havent heard anyone in the media do it yet. Instead, all we get is anti Pats / spygate is the worst thing ever type interviews.

Anyway, if anyone is aware of such an interview, I'd appreciate a link or description.

 

[Tbrady12to88]

Perhaps you overlooked some facts in coming to your conclusions. Starting with the leak of the Pats tape to Fox and his non existent investigation,

Do you know for fact that there was a "non-existent investigation"- I am not going to confess to being well versed in the outcome here other than the fact that nothing came of the leak.

the destruction of the Pats tapes that likely contained evidence of the Jets filming the Pats

What's the basis for the belief that there was evidence on the destroyed tapes that implicated the Jets as filming? I obviously know about the Jets also taping but what's the connection to the destroyed tapes?

the exoneration of the Jets when they taped the Pats in the 2006 season,

Isn't the issue in Spygate1 the fact that the Patriots were taping after the pre-2007 memo reiterating the policy? I guess I kind of look at the memo as being the initial smack down on the Jets for taping. This view is only applicable if you take the view that it was a common practice up until that point and it was the Patriots complaints about the Jets taping practices that initiated the memo in the first place.

the ignoring of the collusion between the Colts and Titans which cost the Browns a playoff spot

No doubt Dumbgy and Pornstache have a love fest going on but c'mon man every team rests their main guys in those situations. What happened at the end of the game was way lame but it's unrealistic to expect the league to do anything to a team on the basis that they weren't trying to score a touchdown in the final 2 minutes of the regular season with their 5th stringers on the field.

the biased piece of crap has done everything in his power to sweep every other rules violaation under the rug so the Pats would remain the only villian and the only one punished.

I completely disagree here. He's an idiot and he definitely does not apply uniform standards- but you're getting awefully conspiratorial for my tastes.

As for what he would do to another franchise, look at the punishment he gave to the 49ers for tampering, the loss of a 5th round pick and they are a repeat offender.

I've read a lot of the comments about the 9'ers and Donko's offenses to me it comes off as very much sour grapes and wanting to deflect blame onto others.

Again, he's an idiot, he doesn't even seem to understand basic rules of engagement so why should you expect him to bring down a somewhat standardized punishment? I mean think about it- here's a guy who is having to wrestle with potentially the leagues biggest ever threat to its integrity, a guy who has a 6 time loser getting traded right under his nose, and one of his big initiatives has been to get a hair rule established??? Next thing you know he'll be forcing the Skins to forfeit 2 games for not having all their players wear white socks. There is no logic to this guy at all.

All of this points me back to the fact that I really think the theory that he's harboring some evil vendetta against us is misplaced- it's fun to hypothesize about but in the end I just think he sucks at what he does.

 

[flasox27]

Let me correct a few errors in your response
1. Goodell said there would be a thorough investigation of who leaked the Pats tape to Fox. Does anyone know the results of the investigation. Obviously give how everything leaks from the League offices, if there was a real investigation the perpetrators would have been identified. I am give him the benefit of the doubt in assuming there was no investigation otherwise the candidate for the leak was Goodell through his wife who works for Fox. if that is the case he should have been fired on the spot. Unlike some people, I do not believe it was magic elves who transported the tape from the commissioner's office to Fox TV.
2.I should have prefaced that the destroyed tapes contianed in my opinion evidence that the Jets or some other team was stealing the Pats signs. Why else would the tapes be destroyed since everyone knew what Pats did and the destruction of the tapes would have been of no benefits to them. By destroying the tapes Goodell prevented their leak and him being forced to punish other teams for the same thing. If someone has a more rational reason for the destruction of the tapes I am willing to listen.
3.You are absolutely wrong on this point and you can look it up. The memo was issued prior to the 2006 season and the Jets were positively bound by it. The league came out with a BS excuse that teams could film if there was mutual consent and when Belichick said he never gave consent, the league did nothing.
4. I find it amusing that when a player goes record like Collins as saying that there was an agreement between the coaches not to play to win, the commissioner does not think its worthy of investigating, but when a proven liar and thief makes allegations he must be taken at his word.
5. We do agree on one point that Goodell is incompetent and should be terminated. I just think the facts prove he is a biased incompetent.

 

[Tbrady12to88]

Let me correct a few errors in your response
1. Goodell said there would be a thorough investigation of who leaked the Pats tape to Fox. Does anyone know the results of the investigation. Obviously give how everything leaks from the League offices, if there was a real investigation the perpetrators would have been identified. I am give him the benefit of the doubt in assuming there was no investigation otherwise the candidate for the leak was Goodell through his wife who works for Fox. if that is the case he should have been fired on the spot. Unlike some people, I do not believe it was magic elves who transported the tape from the commissioner's office to Fox TV.

I think you are giving him way too much credit. If Goodell were really the source, he would have probably posted it under his own username on Youtube:singing:

2.I should have prefaced that the destroyed tapes contianed in my opinion evidence that the Jets or some other team was stealing the Pats signs. Why else would the tapes be destroyed since everyone knew what Pats did and the destruction of the tapes would have been of no benefits to them. By destroying the tapes Goodell prevented their leak and him being forced to punish other teams for the same thing. If someone has a more rational reason for the destruction of the tapes I am willing to listen.

Thanks for clarifying, I agree, I think those tapes contained as much about things other teams did as they did about the Patriots. I thought you might have seen something that specifically referenced the Jets.

3.You are absolutely wrong on this point and you can look it up. The memo was issued prior to the 2006 season and the Jets were positively bound by it. The league came out with a BS excuse that teams could film if there was mutual consent and when Belichick said he never gave consent, the league did nothing.

I have been thinking all along that this started because of the reiteration memo coming about just before this most recent season. So if that is not the case then I have to side with you on this on.

4. I find it amusing that when a player goes record like Collins as saying that there was an agreement between the coaches not to play to win, the commissioner does not think its worthy of investigating, but when a proven liar and thief makes allegations he must be taken at his word.

Anyone have any info to detail if Goodell was ever pushed on this issue? I recall Dumbgy talking about it at the combine after being questioned but was Dumbdell ever questioned? Is it possible the dense man doesn't even know about this- sadly that could be the case!

5. We do agree on one point that Goodell is incompetent and should be terminated. I just think the facts prove he is a biased incompetent.

I hope that some day when history is written about this whole era we get to see some of the true feelings for this guy from some of the games prominent figures. I doubt we'll see much positive said about him.

 

[Hardboiled]

In the Patrick interview, Goodell said he will hold a press conference right after the Walsh interview. Does this imply he knows all that Walsh will say and already knows his own reaction?

Goodell said he will ask Walsh:

Can you tell me of any violations of policy that the Patriots were involved in while you were there?
Do you have evidence of it?​

On the evidence/no evidence angle I noted the following:

On Walsh, Goodell said "that it was widely reported that he has <Goodell then pauses> apparently has some damagning tapes against the NFL.​

Goodell seems to focus on evidence. Can he do anything to the Patriots without more than the word of a former employee?


Here's my problem with the "He's got nothing" postings.

Even it Goodell can't go further base upon a preponderance of evidence, this doesn't go away. Even if Walsh has no tapes or evidence, Walsh can go on the interview circuit to every sports tv show radio show and say I did X and I also know about Y. He talks publicly about what knows first hand and second hand.

The NFL can say all it wants about "no evidence" but Walsh would be on tv everyday.

He may not have any "proof" but is the NFL prepared for constant coverage of the following:

"I (or someone else) taped the walkthough from the stands and it was left it at the hotel for Ernie Adams."

A coach talked to Brady after the 15 second cutoff.​

Sure no evidence, but he'll be on every show talking from a "team employee" angle. This Goodell/Walsh meeting seems like a formality with both sides set for the next move.

 

[flasox27]

I think Walsh if he starts making accusations without proof he may be talking to a grand jury in Massachusetts in the very near future.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Even it Goodell can't go further base upon a preponderance of evidence, this doen't go away. Even if Walsh has no tapes or evidence, Walsh can go on the interview circuit to every sports tv show radio show and say I did X and I also know about Y. He talks publicly about what knows first hand and second hand.

Not to be facetious, but, at this point, what difference does it make? Almost everyone has made up their mind about the situation anyways. The only thing that really matters to the Patriots--and us fans--is if Goodell thinks the Pats are guilty of additional offenses worthy of additional punishment.

 

[Hardboiled]

I think Walsh if he starts making accusations without proof he may be talking to a grand jury in Massachusetts in the very near future.

And who would be convening this Grand Jury?