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    NFL Trade Rumors 2014: Blockbuster Deal Between Houston Texans, New England Patriots Could Happen : Sports : Latino Post

    I am available to drive Mallet to the airport.

    Here is another article....
    http://forwardtimesonline.com/2013/...e-the-next-quarterback-for-the-houston-texans
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    It's not a driver that we'll need, but someone who has the extremely rare capacity to immediately step into our offense during his first year to take over full-time backup duties, so I hope that you have a copy of the playbook at hand, and one hell of an arm to boot.

    If we were going to attempt to trade Mallett this year, then we damn well should have brought in a developmental QB sometime in 2013 to start learning the system, the playbook, attending meetings, picking the backup's brain/process, etc.

    How many QBs do you know of who immediately stepped into this system in the spring, and were playbook ready enough to take over the backup role in their first year here?

    If Belichick trades Mallett for anything (let alone the old, tired argument of a 2nd rounder), then he better get on his knees and pray that Matt Cassel or Brian Hoyer is suddenly going to be available, as the QB position is not only the most important on the team, it's also the most difficult to pick up due to the extreme complexity of the playbook and all of the nuances.

    Hell, we can't even get a WR to pick up the system enough to produce during their first year here, let alone a QB....it would be quite a gamble to take, that's for sure.
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    Mallett is probably gone after this year anyways, so why not get something
    for him now? Mallet is a UFA after this season.

    They are not going to pay him 5M+ "probably more" to sit on the bench in 2015.

    Trade Mallet and draft a young QB.

    If necessary trade a late round pick for Hoyer.
    Cleveland is rumored to be drafting a QB in the top 5 of this draft, so I
    am sure we could probably get Hoyer if necessary considering he is coming
    off a ACL injury.
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    Hoyer and possibly Cassel will both be available this off season.
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    not happening its the first pick in the 2th round for a QB who has never played a meaningful down of football in the NFL. just knowing this system is not a nuff to just pass on Teddy Bridgewater, or Johnny Manziel, and let it all ride on Mallet
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    The first couple of links don't look like rumors so much as "it should happen" comments -- unless the "source" is a true reliable source and not just Gil Brandt's Twitter account.
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    Mallett for J J Swatt
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    if Brady get hurt ( knock on wood ) Mallet wont win more then 5 games as the starter so lets say a street QB wins 2 or 3 games so its the first pick in the Draft and not the 7th, he will be a FA next season anyways so if BOB is stupid a nuff to give up the first pick in the 2th round for him I would jump all over it,

    his been in the NFL 3 years and has only 4 pass att and one is a INT. if he goes on to be a pro bowl QB in Houston I will be happy for him cause he will never play a meaningful down for the pats
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    For the simple reason that if Bill Belichick honestly was going to consider trading him, fielding offers, etc--he likely would have brought in someone to start learning the playbook and system this year.

    Yes, I realize that we won't get anything (possibly a comp pick) when he leaves in 2015, but it leaves us with a glaring hole at a very important position. It's an enormous gamble---unless, Belichick plans on bringing back one of Cassel or Hoyer.

    Considering the fact that Hoyer had CLE in first place after 6 games this season until he became injured, one would assume that they'll be drafting another QB AND keeping him around too, but we'll have to see.

    Again, it's possible that Belichick takes that risk, but common sense would have pointed to him at least using a developmental practice squad position on a QB. The whole reason Hoyer was expendable in the first place is because Mallett was into his 2nd year here, and had a full season of learning under his belt. It's going to be virtually impossible to bring in a backup QB this spring and expect him to be the full-time backup by the summer/fall, but maybe Belichick takes that gamble. Time will tell. One aspect to consider is Mallett's importance as our QB in scout team/practice. Belichick doesn't just take a risk in hoping that Brady doesn't become injured, he also gives us the knowledge of the system that Mallett has in running the scout team too. That is something to certainly keep in mind, as Mallett has shown some value there.

    I just believe that he'd have been planning for it a bit more, especially when you look at his record of backup QBs who are expected to be full-time. I believe our system is complex enough where he gives them a full season+ these days.
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    On top of all of that, here is a much more important question:

    Why would anyone give up a 2nd rounder that they can choose a QB with and pay them peanuts under a cheap, rookie deal, when they'd not only have to part with a 2nd round draft pick, but ALSO give Ryan Mallett a brand new deal?

    No one is going to part with a 2nd round pick without making sure that their new franchise QB is signed beyond this last year of his deal. That leads us to the more important conversation of trying to assess Mallett's value on a brand new deal as a starter.

    Do they pay him 5m a year, 10m a year, 12m a year?
    There's an enormous grey area there, which leads back to the original thought that it's probably much better to simply draft a QB in the 2nd round and pay them close to nothing for the next 4 yrs. That not only makes it a huge gamble for Belichick, leaving him without a backup QB who knows a lick of our system, but it's also an enormous gamble for the potential trade partner--who now has to give up a high draft pick AND risk their financial future in terms of the salary cap. You'd think that people would learn from the Charlie Whitehurst and Kevin Kob fiascoes!!!
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    For any Mallett deal to happen, there probably has to be:

    1. Agreed trade compensation.
    2. A contract extension.
    3. A Patriots strategy for replacing him.

    If a team thinks he's a better prospect than almost any rookie option and also than any plausible vet alternative, then a reasonable framework would be:

    1. A high 2nd-round pick.
    2. A modest immediate bonus + a 2-year option for the team in the $10 million range.
    3. Pay some failed former starter to be the backup, while also carrying a low pick/UDFA on the practice squad.
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    No way Houston giving up pick 33 or Mallett.

    and if they do. I hope we're not looking at a Ras I Dowling style selection with number 33.

    :)
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    Schaub and Keenum aren't the answer for Houston. From their perspective, do you take a chance on a QB high such as Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel and miss out on pairing Jadeveon Clowney with J.J. Watt or do you trade the second for Mallett and pair Clowney with Watt?

    I'm not particularly high on this year's QB crop. Mallett probably has as many question marks as the prospects but has the added benefit of NFL exposure in a system O'Brien is likely to install.

    If it were me, I probably chance the second round pick on Mallett and put Clowney on the line with Watt. At worst, you're going to have a line that is going to terrorise the NFL for the next 10 years and you have a Quarterback who is something of a known commodity to you.
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    Would Clowney's lack of development worry O'Brien. It would seem a huge risk to take him 1 overall. .
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    I doubt it. Clowney tanked this season to look after his body for the NFL. If anything, I'd be more concerned with his motivation. That said, it depends on the scheme they plan on running. Watt is going to demand the double teams leaving Clowney with favorable match up opportunities on the edge. That would be scary if he reaches the heights people expect.
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    Is it just me or does Blount run faster than this guy? Allen seems to have Devin Hester like talent when it comes to avoiding tackles.
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    Mallett for anything would be shocking to me. People actually think he has potential?

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