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  1. DaBruinz

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    I am going to focus on areas of need first and then other potential signings 2nd. I used the KFFL website since they seem to have upgraded their section and its now pretty extensive.

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    Antonio Bryant was franchised by the Buccaneers. That leaves the following:

    KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents

    People are going to gravitate to guys like Houshmandzadeh (who’s ego is bigger than his ability) and Henderson (a perpetual underachiever). I don’t care for either. I was looking for a guy to put opposite Moss who could run the more intermediate routes. And I came up with the following:

    Bobby Engram – Seattle – Solid performer. Clutch. 36 years old
    Shaun McDonald – Detroit
    Nate Washington – Pittsburgh
    Drew Bennett – St Louis
    Michael Clayton – Tampa
    Laverneus Coles – NY Jets
    Ronald Curry - Oakland
    Bryant Johnson – San Francisco
    Reggie Williams – Jacksonville

    Boldin is rumored to be on the trading block. But its doubtful that the Pats are willing to pay him what he’s looking for.
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    Good list, thank you for setting up these threads.

    Our good friend Jabar Gaffney can be added as well.
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    What about Furrey?
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    Is Clayton really a FA? BB was very high on him in 2004. I know he has fallen off quite a bit after a good rookie season, but he might be worth a shot.
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    The Bucs remain far apart in discussions with S Jermaine Phillips and WR Michael Clayton.
    Both are expected to reach free agency. Phillips has been a productive strong safety, but he's going on 30 and has played all 16 games just once in the past five years. The Bucs have Sabby Piscitelli ready to take over. Clayton, 26, is now appreciated more for his blocking abilities than receiving work.
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    Another name to contemplate: Devery Henderson.

    He is nothing spectacular, but he is a blue collar player who can really run.
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    I've suggested him several times, and gotten panned for it. He does have speed, and might open up some room for Moss and Welker.
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    Devery Henderson is an underachiever. He's never stepped up when his team has needed it. Not when Horn went down. Not when Stallworth went down. Not when Colston went down. The guy just shows up and earns a paycheck. I don't think his heart is in it, to be honest. Its why I didn't have him on my list.
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    Clayton is a guy I like a lot. Had the great rookie year, then derailed by injuries and a three-year sentence to Gruden's doghouse. I think he'd be a great complementary WR on this team.

    Another guy not mentioned that I like a lot is Brandon Jones. He's another young WR kind of sidetracked by injuries, along with being stuck on one of the worst QB'd teams in the NFL. I'd really like to see them bring him in, as he's a real beast after the catch.
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    I'm sorry, how you can extrapolate something as abstract as "his heart is not in it" simply because he didn't develop into a #1 WR when given the chance? Have you read something about him not being a hardworker are that "into" football? I honestly don't know anything about the guy personally. All I know is he is a vertical threat that a team should not count on as a starting WR, but is good for two or three 80+ yd TDs a season. A total complementary player that could yield great dividends on a pass-happy offense like NE (same as he did in NO).
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    The guy makes about a million, maybe 1.5 a season.

    Underachiever? Yeah, if you are shortsighted and expect too much, or just basing that on his draft status. By that logic, Bryant Johnson, Reggie Williams and Michael Clayton should be removed as well.

    He isn't a #1 guy, but "doesn't have his heart in it", is an amazing claim.

    I'd assume that you likely know very little about the person that is Devery Henderson based on your assumptions about his game.

    He is very one-dimensional (deep threat), but he has no issues with effort and he improved on some of his horrible drops of the past.
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    What's Claytons deal he had a great rookie year over a 1000 yards is it poor QB play or injuries thats prevented him from dong anything since 04 ?
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    Hmm.. Lets see. He's never had more than 32 receptions. Not once. Even during the times when Horn, Stallworth and Colston were out. Also, He was passed on the roster by the likes of David Patten and Lance Moore.

    Sorry, but I don't see how 1 great play every 4-5 games makes him worthy of consideration for the Pats. Also, I think you might want to review Henderson. He hasn't had that many 80+ TD receptions.
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    I am not attacking his character. I am attacking his want to excel at playing football. He was drafted to be more than a #2/#3 receiver. He's never stepped up when his team has needed him. Not even when less talented people were passing him on the depth chart. If he can't be motivated to play better in that situation, what makes people think he will do so here?
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    The QB Carousel that they've had going on in Tampa .
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    None of this addresses your completely baseless assumption that he has "no heart." Just because a player gets drafted to be a starting WR but doesn't end up as starting WR talent, does not mean they are "heartless." It means maybe, just maybe, his value on draft day was overestimated and he's just a backup WR.

    I don't have an easy way to look at his longest receptions, but a quick glance at profootballreference.com establishes he is a big play WR.

    The last three years he has averaged 20+ YPC. Last year alone he nearly averaged 25 YPC with 24.8, by far leading the league with anyone having 30+ catches. Next closest with 30+ was Berrian at 20.

    Was I engaging in hyperbole saying 2-3 80+ receptions a year as you suggest? Well, last year he had catches of 81 and 84 yards. But why let facts and recent history get in the way?

    So I'd suggest maybe next time it's *you* who should review Henderson before assailing his abilities. ;)
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    You've not shown anything to debunk my opinion that Devery Henderson would be a good fit on the Patriots. In fact, you've done pretty much nothing but misquote me.

    Henderson = Stallworth Redux. And, just as a reminder, Stallworth proved that he wasn't worth the money, landing on the bench by the end of the season.
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    Maybe he doesn't have two 80+ catches every year, but in addition to those he he four 50+ catches. His other big year in 2006 he had four 50+ catches including a 70+ TD. The guy is a big play threat.

    I've watched him too. He doesn't have the best hands and drops the occasional easy pass, but it happens **cough** Gaffney **cough**

    And what would be wrong with Stallworth Pt 2 at the Henderson's asking price? Or are you saying you don't want Brady to have another 50 TD season? (And yes I know Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch, but that was more a testament to Gaffney than slight of Stallworth).

    Finally, you're just playing semantic games with me quoting "heartless" vs. "his heart's not in it." There's no difference and you know it. And if there is, I'd LOVE to hear it explained. :)

    ETA: Well, I see since I responded you've re-edited your post and gone on the vitriolic offensive. I tend not to engage in these sorts of pointless exercises, so I'll just bow out. Thanks though.
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    DaBruinz, "he has no heart" can be used in a variety of contexts, among those, a lack of passion. Your only claim to back up what I consider to be a ridiculous assessment, seems to be his lower than fantastic statistics, specifically his catch total.

    Does he not block? Does he not try his best when he does get playing time? Is he known as a poor locker room presence or a slacker in the weight room?

    I'd give you all the lenience in the world to hate on his skills as a player, but at no point in his career have I heard anybody question his EFFORT.

    Stallworth 296 catches 70 20+ and 13 40+ yarders
    Henderson 106 catches 39 20+ yarders 18 40+ yarders.

    He is a one-trick pony who would bring a dangerous element to our offense for CHEAP, while never causing any problems and going about his business. If he is more expensive, than fine... that will be the reason we don't sign him.

    Keep in mind, he did all of this with less than potent QBs. Drew Brees is lucky to throw a 50 yarder in a perfect world.
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    Whatever Henderson's deal is, I don't think he fits in this offense. We've seen several one-dimensional, deep threat type WRs pass through this system...Bethel Johnson, Andre Davis, Donte Stallworth...and none of them panned out. And now, in 2009, we don't even need that type of player, we have it in Moss.

    I'm interested in Bryant Johnson or Michael Clayton. Both fit the mold of the bigger, intermediate route and sideline receiver. Clayton has disappointed for a 1st round pick, but he is a beast of a blocker and bounced back a bit last year. Johnson has been Mr. Consistent, sure handed and good for 40 catches per year.
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    Think we'd trade a pick for Ocho Cinco? I'm all about trying to see SOME Bengal succeed. I think he'd be a fit, and getting him in a trade would make him affordable. Almost a prove-it deal.

    I believe it's documented that Bill likes the crazy clown, too.
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    Speaking of Saints wide receivers who probably won't be on the team next year, what do people think of Lance Moore? He's an RFA, but he'll probably get tendered low since the Saints are desperate for draft picks--I think they only have their first rounder and then the fourth rounder and below.

    I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about football as some, but do people think he'd be a good fit? Good hands and route running skills will the occaisonal big play capability. It seems like he really developed nicely last year, and if I have to watch him on any team other than the Saints, I want it to be the Pats. My only concern is that he's more of a Welker-like, short to medium range type receiver, if that makes sense.
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    I didn't say he has no heart. I said I felt that his heart wasn't in it.

    People have questions why he's not stepped up when given the opportunity. And he's been given numerous ones.

    Drew Brees is a damn good QB and he can toss the ball with the best of them. In fact, Brees has been amongst the top 5 in long passes in the last few years..

    But anyways. I just don't believe he's a good fit. I have my reasons. You and Tombonneau disagree. That's fine. But don't misquote me and put words in my mouth. Its my beliefe that the Pats need more from the WR that lines up opposite Moss than a one trick pony. Its my belief that the Pats won't look at that in a player.
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    Did you even watch 2007? Stallworth was anything but a "on-dimensional deep threat". Most of the balls he caught were short, followed by him running someone over.

    He had what, 700 yards receiving? If his contract had been $1M a year, he'd still be here. He "panned out," but just wasn't worth the huge money to keep when we were already dropping $10M/yr into Moss.
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    If he'd be cheap, I think BIll would be all over it. Hes an elite talent.


    I think Cincy is looking for big picks though.
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    Did you watch 2007? By the end of the year, Stallworth was riding the bench behind Gaffney? Stallworth didn't run people over. He ran around them or made them miss. But it doesn't change the fact that he was benched because he wasn't making the pre-snap reads he needed to make and wasn't making the adjustments he needed for Brady to have faith in his (Stallworth's) abilities to run the correct route.
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    Yes, and I still think if his contract was small, he'd be on the team.

    Stallworth didn't just run around people. He made frequent use of a stiff arm.
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    A stiff arm isn't running through people. Its running around them and keeping them at a distance... And, I think your wrong. Stallworth was gone regardless of where his contract was at. Because he didn't have Brady's trust. Its the same reason the Pats parted ways with Chad Jackson. Jackson didn't earn Brady's trust.
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