ATippett56
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Slater for special teams - yes. Slater as a wide receiver - no.5 Slater
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Somewhere between $7-9M+ lies the truth. He's not worth prototype #1 money because of the nature of his game. He's ultra productive but he's not a game changer so much as a chain mover (although he moves them less of late). Teams do still have to game plan around him and he completes roughly 70% of his targets wherever they may fall. If he or his agents want top 5 money (5/$50) they're dreamin due to size, skillset and age. If they want top ten money (5/$42) there is a deal to be made.
Somewhere between $7-9M+ lies the truth. He's not worth prototype #1 money because of the nature of his game. He's ultra productive but he's not a game changer so much as a chain mover (although he moves them less of late). Teams do still have to game plan around him and he completes roughly 70% of his targets wherever they may fall. If he or his agents want top 5 money (5/$50) they're dreamin due to size, skillset and age. If they want top ten money (5/$42) there is a deal to be made.
This makes no sense to me.
It is exceedingly clear that Welker is one of a kind. There is no way we can replace him with anywhere near as effective a player in his role.
He gets trashed as not a prototype receiver yet just had the 15th most productive season by a WR in NFL HISTORY. C Johnson had more yards than him this year, A Johnson had more once in his life and no other active reciever has ever had a season with that many yards.
Jerry Rice and Randy Moss only had more yards once in their career and only 12 men in history had 1 better season ,and only one (M Harrison) had 2.
So if Welker is downgraded as not a 'real weapon' and can't produce like those guys he must be 50 times better than any slot reciever.
Our offense revolves around Welker. Since he is irreplacable letting him goes means changing the offense.So your post had valued changing the offense at 1.6 million of cap space.
That makes no sense to me.
I am all for saving as much as can be on every contract, but there isn't a number that anyone else would be willing to pay for Welker that we shouldn't gladly match.
Welker at anything over 6mill aint happening. He is what folks would say a SYSTEM generated player. First was Troy Brown, then came Welker. A Slot receiver is Brady's comfort zone since Pats do not focus on outside WR speed or deepball. They prefer to have the surehanded slot receiver and take the 5-8yard dumpoffs all day long.
He is irreplacable in this offense.He is not irreplaceable. We won 3 SB's before Welker showed up in town. Yea, a guy named Troy Brown had 3 pretty good years
I didnt compare them, I stated that each exceeded the production Wes Welker put up this year one time in their career.Comparing Rice and Moss, hands down the two GREATEST impact receivers in the history of the game to Welker is assinine, with all due respect.
Moss retired THIS YEAR.The NFL Rice and Moss played prime years in is quite different since 2006 after rule changes, in which Welker has played
Wait. Welker had the 15th most recieving yards in NFL history and the 4th most catches because his team sucks, not because he can play?Welker benefits from the fact the rest of the WR corps on the Patriots has been one big pile of horse in in terms of depth or quality.
And Gaffney and Stallworth....When Moss was here it was Wlker and Moss.
First your argument was that Welker only catches passes because the rest of the team sucks. Now you are arguing that he can't be good because BB drafts other WRs too.Now Gronk and Moss. If Welker was the be all end all, BB would not have been drafting Chad Jackson, Tate, Price, Slater, Stinko, bring back Branch.
More diarrhea.He's been a good player, just like Troy Brown was a good 8th round pick who had years of 101, 97, 82 catches from slot position. He benefits from the fact Brady can trust him with the underneath stuff since before this year we had garbage for TE's and Welker was the only option, and we've given up on RB catching balls out of the backfield.
Welker had 1569 recieving yards. Your statement is moronic.Welker at anything over 6mill aint happening. He is what folks would say a SYSTEM generated player.
I don't care what he is doing, when he gets 1569 yards, he earns them and he is a weapon.First was Troy Brown, then came Welker. A Slot receiver is Brady's comfort zone since Pats do not focus on outside WR speed or deepball. They prefer to have the surehanded slot receiver and take the 5-8yard dumpoffs all day long.
I don't think BB will put the franchise tag on Welker. He puts a value on players and 9 Million even for one year is to much. I think he will let Welker test the open market and take his chances.
The use of the franchise tender (or an RFA tender) does not prohibit a team from negotiating a long-term deal.
Garcon is a dropped pass waiting to happen, and we all know how much Brady loves non-core receivers who drop the ball].
Welker led the league in dropped passes in 2010 and Brady still thought that he was swell. Garçon is a 26 year-old athletic freak who came from a division 3 school. He just had the best year of his young career without his franchise QB throwing to him. He is not just a JAG. He can be a core receiver. He has dropped some big passes in prior years but wasnt in the top 25 in dropped passes in 2011.
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Again, the FTF (Franchise Tag Fallacy) rears its ugly head. To wit:
So if we franchise Welker, don't sign him to a long term deal, we can back out of paying him 9 Million?
If Welker doesnt sign the franchise tag, the Pats can rescind the tag at anytime not owing the 9 mil. Welker would be free to walk if no new contract was in place.
If Welker signs the tag and a deal cannot be consummated, NE can trade Welker. Cassel signed his franchise tag and NE did not owe him the 14 mil because he was traded.
The whole premise of tagging Welker is to protect the Pats interest in terms of his value on the open market and to buy time to negoaiate. A long term deal for Welker is preferable, but if demands are unreasonable (I believe they wont be) Welker wont simply walk away without the Pats being compensated.
Who cares about south welker. He would just drop the tag if they play it on him
On a serious note...I think the pats should let him walk like they did branch a while ago. The should sign someone who bring more speed to position.