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  1. Rob0729

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    They have the Pats at number 2. Steelers should be #1 until they lose. Gotta love Clayton's comments though:

    The Pats lose the three oldest players on defense at least as far as starters and they are still aging? Shouldn't they be younger without Vrabel, Harrison, and Bruschi?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings?season=2009&week=1
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    Espn's cluelessness shines through!!!

    Steelers should be #1 until they lose.
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    Clayton is just another ass clown, wtf cares what he says, guess he did not read where 9 rookies made this squad... but then who cares about the facts.
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    #87 Jersey

    I know the Steelers are the SB champs. But they won it all in probably the weakest year of the league in the decade? Anyone agree?

    Pats were not the pats.
    Colts were not the Colts.
    The Titans were the #1 seed.
    The Cardinals represented the NFC.
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    To be honest I usually never get a lot of good info from Clayton, seems to just parrot what others think/say. More or less fits right in at ESPN.
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    It's customary to have the SB champ #1. No problem there.

    However, the Cryptkeeper and "aging defense" just shows how much "analysis" we can expect.

    Don't waste time on those clowns.
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    No Jersey Selected

    Yes. At times, the cluelessness at FESPN is simply breathtaking. :cool:
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    More Power Rankings

    FWIW (which isn't much), here are some more Power Rankings.

    CBS Sports - Pete Prisco
    Pats, Steelers, Colts, Giants, Titans, Eagles, Falcons, Cardinals, Chargers, Packers.
    AFC East: Dolphins #19, Bills #22, Jets #24.

    FoxSports has it Steelers, Pats, Eagles, but they haven't updated since early August.

    Newsday lists the Giants, Chargers, Steelers, Pats, Ravens, Eagles, Vikings, Colts, Bears and Cardinals as the top ten, with Miami #16, Buffalo #20 and the Jets #24.

    Indy Star is surely going to incur the wrath of Colts fans by listing the Steelers, Pats, Giants, Eagles, and Chargers ahead of the Colts.

    Arizona Central has the Eagles on top, followed by the Pats, Chargers, Vikings, Steelers, Titans, Ravens, Panthers, Packers, Cardinals #10, Colts #11, Giants #12, Falcons, Saints, and Bears.
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    Aging defense? WTF? we shaved how many years off our "average age" on D and are still enduring the "aging defense" BS?

    The only reason at this point that this defense is aging is because every day they get another day older. So yeah, I guess they are "aging" after all. :rolleyes:
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    Colts are being drastically underrated.
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    #12 Jersey

    I haven't done the math (and don't intend to) but the Patriots are apparently still the 3rd oldest '53' in the NFL.
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    I guess Shawn Springs means we have an old defense.


    These are the new guys.

    Springs, 34
    Burgess, 31
    TBC, 29
    Bodden, 27
    McGowan, 25
    Ninkovich, 25
    Butler, 23
    Pryor, 23
    Chung, 22
    Lockett, 22

    Bodden, McGowan and Lockett have birthdays soon.
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    It's simple, really, Rob. Clayton is an idiot.

    And I do agree with the Steelers being #1. They are the world champs. Until someone knocks them off, they are the best.
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    Other than rating the colts and dolphins too high, this seems to be a very reasonable assessment of the status quo.

    If anything, the patriots and chargers will tend to be overrated because their divisions are so putrid.

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    i strongly disagree. a ring is a ring.

    16 regular season games. three or four post season games against charged opponents. as bb likes to say, it's a big mountain to climb and only one team gets all the way to the top every year. i remember that there were those who tried to diss XXXVI by saying we were lucky or the Rams had a bad day or whatever. bull**** to that and the same for dissing the Steelers this year. as i recall, Arizona put up a pretty good game that day and it took a circus catch to beat them (sound familiar?).

    the only lombardi i've ever even been tempted to discount was the one won by the Skins in the strike-shortened year, but even then every other team had the same chance to take the hardware home.
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    Clayton says the Patriots have an aging defense? I plugged in their depth chart based on the Patriots.com depth chart. Using the 3-4 defense (using the 4-3, their age is even lower). The average age of the Patriots defense is 27.7 years on average. THAT is with Springs as a starter. The D is under 27 average if Willhite ends up being the starter.

    If you then figure that rookies Brace, Pryor, Butler, and Chung should get some significant playing time, the defense is anything but old. I thought Clayton did this for a living. Doesn't he know that Vrabel, Brushchi, and Harrison aren't on the defense anymore? Can't he do the same math I just did?
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    Oldest 53 is not the defense though.
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    From: Three of nine oldest teams in NFC West - NFC West - ESPN

    I think you guys have shed the "aging defense" notion. I think you're down to 2-3 players in the low 30s which, is rather standard. When I saw this, I checked the Colts & we have 3 as well on defense.

    I think the offense is really the older group now. Galloway & Fred Taylor don't help, but Brady, Moss, and the O-line are getting up there. Don't mean that they're old-old, but the FO's gonna have to start looking at replacements within the next 2-4 years.
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    Not trying to say the Steelers don't deserve it, or that we deserve it more than them, but, that is just dumb logic. If the Steelers win the superbowl, then lose half their team, are we still obligated to consider them the best team the next season? No. Now I'm not saying that's what happened, it clearly isn't, but every year is a new year.

    However, these PRESEASON power rankings are apparently doing exactly what they're meant to: make people talk, criticize, and praise them.
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    Chris Price's First Power Ranking

    It Is What It Is WEEI 2009 NFL POWER RANKINGS-WEEK 1

    Chris Price has the Steelers first, followed by the Pats, Colts, Giants and Chargers. The Eagles, Titans, Falcons, Cardinals and Ravens round out his top ten. In the AFC East he has the Jets #18, Dolphins #20, and Bills #22.
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    The audacity
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    The widely-accepted "defending champion deserves to be number 1 in power rankings" is a subjective bias that sort of defeats the whole purpose of objective 'power rankings' (If one can call power rankings objective to begin with). The Steelers were the champions of the 2008 NFL season. Then there was free agency, the draft, coaching changes, Tom Brady's recuperation, etc. Whether or not they won the last game played last season is irrelevant to objectively rating the NFL as it exists moving forward. I don't see how one can mount a defense against that.

    Say the Steelers win their first 3 games by hairs. Tennessee seems like a quality win at the moment. Chicago and Cincinatti are likely mediocre teams. Assume Carolina also starts 3-0 against Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Dallas and wins each game by a touchdown or more. Doesn't giving the Steelers the benefit of the doubt as the #1 seem logically wrong? That's just hypothetical. I don't give a rat's ass about Pittsburgh or Carolina.

    My point is, what is the purpose of objective power rankings if you're going to let something that has nothing to do with the "here and now, moving forward" decide your top spot? The Steelers won the 2009 Super Bowl, not the mythical 2009 Power Rankings championship.

    My own subjective bias says that getting exposed by a wide-open offense that zips short slants and the such on national television before barely defeating a 9-7 team from the junior circuit should draw more questions than laurels. After all, they might have to go through Indy and New England to even get back to the Super Bowl.
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    Although I agree with you that many have a Super Bowl Champ bias when it comes to Power Rankings, I think you can make a very reasonable case for the Steelers as #1. I think you can also make a very reasonable case for the Patriots to be lower than #1 or #2 given the huge turnover in their defense and the questions to be answered.
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    the steelers at #1 they won the SB and all there key players are comeing back

    but i seen some people get mad cause the pats are only number 2 if it was not for brady they would not even be ranked in the top 15

    there D was not that good last year and they lost there best S from last year there best LB there best CB and there best DL

    but thats why its just a power ranking it meens noting the steeler may go 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs and the pats may win it all who knows
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