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Edgerrin James-Maybe the most overrated RB in history

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  1. PATRIOT64

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    Well it took a trade for people to realize that Edgerrin James is the most overrated RB probably in NFL history..He rode the coattails of the Indy O-Line to get through big gaps they produced for him so often --no such thing now in Arizona-He has ZERO 100 yard games this year...Goes to show you its not exactly always how talented you are,its how your talent fits and is used on the team - Deion Branch & David Givens will be finding that out soon enough -It's Just like putting Peyton Manning behind Miami's front line and see him run for his life,even if Harrison and Wayne were on that team,his stats would drop quicker than the speed of light-When you play RB or QB its those 'no-name guys' on the o-line that count much more so than what people realize....I am so glad we have the awesome line we have protecting Brady's back (despite a few hurries and blind side hit fumbles here and there) . .Betcha Reggie Bush wishes he was behind our line instead of N.O. right now,he's getting swallowed up so far.
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    I think you are going off the deep end a bit. I agree that you must have a good line up front, but Edge is by no means the most overrated in history. That line in Arizona is awful. You put any back behind that line and they would struggle.
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    Wow. Talk about going off the deep end.. have you watched Warner drop the ball and the OL not open a single hole.. I recall the # 1 all time NFL rusher having issues running behind their line..
    Edge is a top back.. The problem is he has no one helping him out. Look at the colts without him. They can't rush the ball at all.. So your agrument holds no credit.. Sorry, but Edge is great back.> he catches, blocks and runs....
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    Edge is easily one of the best all-around running backs in the league. He is a great player, IMO. He is a great runner with patience and vision, and when he makes his cut he is tough to tackle. He slides off arm tackles and gets a lot of yards after contract. He catches the ball very well, and is great at blitz pickup.

    He just has no room to run in Arizona. Their OL isn't getting the job done.
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    okay then i guess Dillon was the most overrated aswell..wtf did he do last year with few injuries on the line and hmself?

    LT didnt do aswell with a bad OL..his YPC average was low


    a RB cant run without at least some running room..you cant expect him to go against 7 guys constantly in your face.
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    He plays behind the worst offensive line in football and they are getting terrible QB play. It would take a miracle to get 100 yds in Arizona right now.

    Once Leinart gets his feet wet and starts playing decent football, James will start putting up improved numbers but with that OL, he isn't going to have a huge year.
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    Sorry but I agree with this Colt troll.

    The main reason he doesn't have a 100 yard game is because the Cards are always playing from behind.
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    WHAT TRADE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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    I have to somewhat agree. Edge is a very good back, but he is a jack of all trades, master of none. He's not particularly fast, or strong, or shifty. I think he is still a good back but his numbers were inflated by an Indy system with a good offensive line, very good receivers, and good, big number QB. He never had to deal with teams even remotely jamming the line of scrimmage. The Indy offense is a speed and attack offense which spreads the field making it easier for runners. I still think James is better than the backs Indy has now but I don't think he can be considered in the elite class of runningbacks in history like Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Walter Peyton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, and Eric Dickerson.
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    it amazes me how many coaches don't seem to understand that the majority of yards produced by an rb is due to the OL
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    it amazes me even more that the poster of this thread has no clue about what he is talking about. Edge was never traded. The league has this thing called free agency. Look it up. As far as calling Edge the most over rated, buddy go back to fantasy football. Get a NFL clue before you post this trash.
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    I agree as well but workhorse isnt a troll. Actually has many good posts, atleast from what i have seen.

    The arizon line is terrible. They went out and got all these offensive player and they drafted offensive players, they forgot to put together a good line.
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    If Indy could add Edge now, they would be the heavy favorite to win the AFC (and we would still beat them). Edge is a fine runner.
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    Edge is a great back and I'd want him on my team any day.

    What's sad is that you can't see that he's in the same position Brady is. Brady has struggled this year and we've been excusing it because he lost his receivers and even the best quarterback needs to adjust to his new guys blah blah blah. Well, James is being limited by an offensive lione that 1) sucks, and 2) he doesn't have much experience with.

    If anything, the Colts underutilized James. How many Pats-Colts games have you watched where you were praying Dungy wouldn't figure out that they don't have to pass on at least 2/3 of all downs?
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    I think James has a lot of miles on his tires as well, which is one reason the Colts couldn't/wouldn't overpay for his services. But the Indy o-line definately helped him, as a good o-line would help nearly any RB - and I have a feeling that the AZ OL, as bad as they are, is more concerned about trying to get better at QB protection than they are about the running game.

    Just shows that its a team effort that always makes the real difference
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    You may be correct in agreeing with me, but you are incorrect in calling me a troll.


    Edit:
    Thank you. I hadn't seen your post before I replied.
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    But.. isn't that the same thing that 'happened to' Warner in NY and St. Louis?? lol :rofl:
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    Everyone is neglecting to mention another VERY large factor in the success of any RB. When a team has a passing attack that demands constant defense to try to contain it, that necessarily takes away from heavy defensive front effort to stop the run. The Colts offense was about as perfect for James as any offense could be, obviously. You can't take that away from James - he was one of the truly top backs in the league given that offense and his performance in a different offense doesn't change that. It would have been terribly naive to think that his particular capability would translate into an offense where he had to get physical yards against defenses that were in a position to play against the run - but then the Cardinals have shown that they are that kind of naive. Count me as one who thinks that Leinart is not going to be that good of an NFL QB. So James is likely to just go thru the motions and just clip his coupons.
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    The Cardinals have two pretty good receivers that you might have heard of--Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. Both are Pro Bowlers and definitely have to be accounted for. I'm not a Warner lover at all but if you give the guy time he can complete some throws, and these guys are usually open.

    I think Edge is a very good player, and he's a lot better than he has been showing in Arizona, but I don't think he's a top five back in the league. Elite backs can get yards even with bad offensive lines and QB's. Barry Sanders and Walter Peyton did it. James can be very productive but he needs more support form the offensive line, quarterback, and wide receivers.

    By the way I wouldn't want James on my team. He has publicly said he does not like getting hit, which makes me question his toughness and drive. I want a RB that will initiate contact not shy away from it.
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    No one could run behind that Arizona line. Edge is a quality back, he runs well, catches out of the backfield, throws blocks better than most backs in the league, but all RBs need their line to block for them. Look at Reggie Bush, he can't cut back at all because New Orleans' line can't block for him, his teammate Deuce Mcallister is running below his career norms as well, fortunately for the Saints they are pretty good pass blockers.
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    Digger44 your an A** Troll and just about all your posts are trash too.. Try thinking using that tiny brain when posting yourself and you might actually have something people might be interested in....If you don't like my posts DON'T READ EM! - Better yet use IGNORE Jac*O**,I know more about football than you ever will and I don't do fantasy football-as far as the 'traded' part it was a mistake,it was supposed to mean signed by -If you ain't got nothing to say good then don't and just go post your own worthless crap post that is supposed to be so intelligent-duh!~I stand by my post saying edge is the most overated and paid RB In the league now and could not care less what you think troll!!!!
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    Out of curiosity (and it is curiosity) - how do you think James would do this year for Broncos, Pats, or Steelers ??
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    I think he would do well with any of those teams..There are guys that can play great with a so so O-Line and then there are guys who need TOP of the league O-Lines to look great..Edgerrin is one of those guys who needs all pro type players in front of him,Just like it was for most of his years in Indy - Look at Emmitt Smith - He was simply the best at his position in the NFL in the 90s playing behind a super Dallas O-Line but was still semi decent in his Arizona Cardinal days before his retirement,he was not spectacular in Arizona but very good,but then again the reduction in productivity may have been because of his age more than anything...I think players like Emmitt are very Rare where they do well no matter what kind of guys block for them or where they play,they seem to know where to go on every running play-there are only a handful of RBs today that can play or go anywhere and have success..
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    like i said, go back to fantasy football. your ingnorance is amazing.
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    Here Digger Digger! <PATRIOT64 vocalizing this calling while putting his middle finger up in the air saluting Digger44> -Secondly learn how to spell -whats I'N'GNORANCE? Whats that mean?-its not in the dictionary...proves my point professor Digger - let me spell it for you slowly o.k.? Its I-G-N-O-R-A-N-C-E.. Now that was not so hard to spell was it Digger?
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    Wow i hope mommy doesnt have too difficult of a time changing your diaper. I am glad that you agree you are ignorant though. I am supprised you spelled that right with you finger up your.....
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    Edge wasn't traded you imbecile.

    Now shut the hell up and quit posting worthless garbage (yes i see the irony).
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    I think it's too early in the season to be making comments on how well the Colts can run the football without Edge. They're averaging an inch over 100 yards per game with Addai/Rhodes and 4 rushing TD's. Could have been two more but Manning has 2 sneaks.

    Joseph Addai averages 4.5 yards a carry. Not saying he would be as amazing as your new rook, but if he was given more snaps, the numbers would be very respectable.
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    i think Edge is overrated to some degree, but he's still a great RB.

    Makes me wonder though how a guy like JJ Arington would do starting for the Colts
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    James was a dynamic, explosive playmaker before his knee injury. It was no accident the Colts exploded on the scene offensively and record-wise with his arrival as a rookie. When Edge blew out his knee, the Colts nosedived into a second tier power. When he returned it took him two years to become a "plus" running back again. By that time, Manning had matured to the point he no longer needed a superstar to support him in the backfield. Edge is a competent, solid player with an array of skills, but no longer a dynamic gamebreaker. His best feature is his durability. Some pats fans feel the need to denigrate Addai in order to pump up Maroney. This is unnecessary. Maroney doesn't need it. Addai is a very competent starting tailback in his own right and more dynamic right now than Edge James. The question with Addai has always been his durability. Addai is a Travis Henry type. A very solid, tough, dependable back in multiple phases, but one who may be prone to taking the big hit. Addai had a penchant for getting walloped in college, and never proved durable, mostly because he tries hard to a fault.
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