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  1. QB12

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    On NFL Live today, Trent Dilfer says with Tom Brady, they will only get better. Pats are the most complete team in the East.

    Hoge? Not surprisingly the d---bag said the Steelers, to which host Trey Wingo rattled off about 5-6 teams with better records right now than the Steelers.

    QB12
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    Steelers? Goodness, that's nuts. I mean that may be true in 6 weeks - But they lost to the Bengals - What "Complete" team loses to the Bengals? :D
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    There is no doubt in my mind that the Patriots are the most complete team in the AFC right now and will only get better as the season wears on.
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    could we finally have a reliable secondary?:singing:

    just get Mayo back and find a way to keep pressurethe QB's we face and we will be rockin.
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    hey guys, the colts are a tough team too, even if they are playing inferior competitition right now. but teams playing great right now may not be so good at the end. colts are playing the best football they probably will play all year
    in....September. If they are playing this way in January, we got problems.
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    I just posted in another thread about the Colts. They have a problem still against the run, that was clear in the Miami game. Manning is lethal and it looks like he has a good receiving corps but against the elite teams their problems against the run will find them out imo.
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    The Colts have an excellent team, but not a "complete" team. Manning is superb, and the pass rush has been good. But they can't run the ball or stop the run. And their secondary is vulnerable.
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    People semi-mocked me when I said Indy is still the team I fear the most... might be going there with a 7-1 record, but their's might even be better.
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    Colts schedule really helps them this year. Even with the Sanders and Freeney injuries, they could be 12-4 pretty easily. Playing the NFC West, and their own division being down really helps them.
    Pats are lacking in special teams as far as returners and our punter. Defense is moving in the right direction, TfB will continue to get better, and we have a stable of RBs to get us through the long haul.
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    The Colts, Saints and Giants all have looked superior to the Patriots thus far. I expect the Patriots to keep improving, especially on offense, but also on D, but I wouldn't say they are THE best team overall or even just in the AFC. As of now, anyway.
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    i love how two weeks ago after the jets loss we were a team who had seen ourselves peak and were rebuilding. we were on the steep decline and our glory days were behind us. the pats were a team that was depleted on defense because we lost so many playmakers in harrison, bruschi, vrabel, seymour, etc. our offense was so unbalanced that we might have trouble winning against good teams.
    now all of a sudden we go back and make adjustments on offense to a more balanced attack and we have two big wins in a row against two supposed super bowl contenders in the falcons and ravens, and now we are the most complete team. i can't take the bandwagoners hopping on and off.
    let's keep it rolling in denver next week and lay the ******* wood on every single team we play from here on out.
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    i agree with the Saints and Giants. As for the Colts, I would call us even in my own power rankings.
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    Again, "complete" is different from "good". I ranked the Colts #3 in my top 5 list, after the Giants and Saints and ahead of us. But they are not as "complete" a team as we are, meaning that they have weaknesses in key areas. They may compensate for them by being especially good in others, but that doesn't mean that the lack of completeness is a liability which may eventually catch up with them.

    I think this Pats team is more complete than any since 2004, including the 2007 team. But I don't think this team is better than the 2007 team at this point.
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    nfl live has got to be one of the worst shows next to first and ten that there is on tv. it makes me puke just thinking about watching it. i only watch that piece of sh!t sports video channel[espn] when i have to.
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    There is only one team that can beat us today : The Giants.

    The Pats are working hard to get to that level ,we might have a rematch against the Giants in this year superbowl ?
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    Agreed. Hopefully with the Giants favored.
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    The pats are good, no doubt.
    It's still too early and I don't know if they are the best right now but I stronly believe they will be the best in the AFC (and NFL) come Feb.
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    Actually I think the only team that can beat us today is...us. Execution is still just inconsistent enough, but if they clean that up and get/stay healthy I don't fear anyone. We have the talent and depth and coaching on both sides of the ball. About the only area that is truly lagging is ST. Excellent PK, the bulk of the units aren't standing out and that could be problematic.
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    We're complete! Damn right, and we have Coach Belichick, the mastermind at moving players around to fit the holes of the Starters who are injured or off the team. Steelers loosing Palumalu and loosing to the bengals just shows they're not complete as far as coaching goes. Sorta like a headless clumsy "giant".
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    It's still too early to tell but they are getting there. And I do agree that Indy is probably the most dangerous REGULAR SEASON team. Come playoff, one and done. :D
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    Amen. This extreme bipolar disorder by fans and the media is funny. I give Dilfer something though, he said from day 1 Brady would come around. But it was, no bull****, TWO freaking weeks ago posters here were talking about how dissapointing this team looked. It's going to be crazy with the huge emotional shifts every week.
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    I would add the Ravens to that list also. Just because we beat them, doesn't mean they are not complete. As we saw yesterday they have a legit offense now. Flacco and Rice are the real deal. They are not the same defense and seem a little weak in pass coverage, but they have a real good front 7.

    The Colts are in no way complete. Without Manning that team wins 3 games. He is literally carrying that team.
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    #54 Jersey

    I said in that one thread after the Jets game that I was still thinking Super Bowl for this team, and while things have improved, there are still improvements to make.

    The Giants look pretty good, but the best team they've faced thus far is the unstable Cowboys. Let's see what they look like after New Orleans.
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    The Colts don't scare me at all. I think they could beat the Pats but I think if the Pats continue to play the way they are playing now and iron out some of these red zone offense problems we are a great match up for Indy. Right now we are playing physical on both sides of the ball.
    1) The Colts cant run the ball or stop the Run IMO. We have a good running game and I feel like we can stop the run when Mayo comes back.
    2) The Pats can Control the clock. In that Miami game the dolphins ran up and down the middle of indys D and they kept Manning off the field. I feel like the Pats can do the same. (One of the good things about Brady not completing some of these deep bombs haha;))
    3) The Pats pass D is playing very well and The colts best asset is their passing game. If we can shut down the run which shouldn't be that hard to do based on what Ive seen from them so far.;) we can force them into 3rd and longs where I think we will start to see more from our D.
    4) The Play action is looking better and better every week. If we can force the Colts to honor the run and they start biting I think you will see more throws down field to Randy and Co.
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    NFL Live is Dead to me. I haven't watched that pile of crap for over 2 years now, and am a better human being because of it. Seriously, I wouldn't get worked-up about what any of them say, ever.
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    Stop looking at things through rose colored glasses. :D
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    Not sure I understand what "complete" means.
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    I was just about to advise QB12 that none of those snapper-heads at the 4-letter network was worth 30 seconds of his time, never mind 30 minutes, but I didn't want to appear too negative.
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    I assume it involved being very good or better in every segment of the game:
    rushing, passing, rush D, pass D.

    If you'll indulge me a little, I'm going to bring some stats into this, try to defend my team. Let's compare the Saints/Giants/Colts/Pats some.

    Rush defense yards per carry.
    10) Saints 3.7
    13) Colts 4.0
    21) Pats 4.5
    31) Giants 5.5

    Rush defense yards per game.
    8) Saints 83.2
    11) Patriots 95.2
    16) Colts 106.5
    18) Giants 117.2

    I realize that the Miami game was the definition of disaster for a run-defense. But when a good running team runs the ball 50 times, you're gonna give up some yards. It may be worth mentioning that we didn't have the worst run defense that week. Dallas ran the ball 28 times for 248 yards (8.9 ypc) compared to Miami's 48 for 235 (4.9 ypc).

    Obviously 4 games into the season, 1 game can skew the stats & who you've played has a big part. If not for the Miami game, the Colts might be in the top-5, since Arizona & Seattle weren't able to run much.

    Rushing the ball, the Colts aren't so hot, 3.5 ypc which is 26th Just enough to keep teams honest &
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    i agree...but i wil say each elite team has a weakness...

    Giants--suspect receiving corp
    Steelers-suspect rushing offense and pass blocking
    colts-suspect defense
    saints-defense has been better, but im not convinced yet

    us---i think brady has not been brady. i dont think most of use would have expected that at this point. i do think he has improved gradually. he still has a long way to go, but there are signs of his old self

    also, the pass rush hasnt been great, but we did a much better job getting pressure on the QB this week, especially up the middle in the 2nd half. we blitzed some more which i liked, and we missed flacco by about 1/2 of a step a few times.
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