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  1. strngplyr

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    Looks like the Redskins are out of the Manning Race, if they were ever in it. I feel bad for RG3. Team has no high round draft picks for the next 3 years and is losing a huge chunk of cap space for his growing years.
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    more money for us.
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    So, just so I understand, they'll have that much less a cap total than other teams total for the next two years, right? And from what I've read the money they're being punished will be split by other teams (Schefter: "All that money goes to 28 other teams -- $1.6 million each -- except for Saints and Raiders, who don't get any but don't lose any.")

    (Shanahan and cap games .. hmmm.)
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    From how I'm reading it, they are losing 10 (Cowboys) and 36 million (Redskins) in total and have the option to split it over 2012 and 2013 instead of taking the whole hit in 1 year.
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    Even spliting drives the Cows out of the big FA market
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    Goodell finally found a way to help out the Steelers and Jets with their cap problems. Well not finally, rather again.
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    Sweet, a little more money for us and the Redskins are done, they could have stole a few FAs from the pool.
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    Redskins are being punished for pushing 21m of Haynesworthless' contract and 15m of Landry's into 2010, not sure on the Cowboys.
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    Should these numbers be subtracted from the cap space numbers Florio provided? If so, the Redskins are underwater and the Cowboys aren't in a position to compete in the FA market.
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    No...as strongplyr said, the teams can split this between the next two years. Every other team gets an additional 1.6 million...also probably between the next two years. So there's no guarantee this has much effect on THIS year, even though it probably will.

    Aside: I read somewhere that Miles Austin's contract was loaded in the uncapped year...that might be Dallas's portion.
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    I love this because it helps us but Goodell is so power starved it isn't funny.
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    Will the Redskins and Cowboys forever be defined as capgate???
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    Does anyone know exactly what Dallas and Washington did that was against the rules? Was there a regulation in place that said that you couldn't do what they were doing? Normally, I'd just assume that there was one and move on, but... Roger Goodell, etc. etc. Unless the Redskins and Cowboys broke clearly defined rules that were existence at the time--and until I see exactly what those rules are, I'll be skeptical--then this is complete BS that happens to be in line with the Goodell MO.

    Man, just when the Redskins thought that they were done getting screwed by the Haynesworth contract, too. Honestly, I don't see the point in punishing teams in 2012 and 2013 who used the uncapped year to gain a competitive advantage in 2010. If it was that big of a problem for the other owners, then they probably should have considered that before opting out of the previous CBA.

    I do remember there being a memo directing teams not to use the uncapped year to clear cap space, but unless there is a specific rule in place stating the same, then it's just not enough. Goodell's weird memo-enforcement jihad was out of line as far back as Spygate; if it's not spelled out in the rules, then a memo isn't going to change anything. On the bright side, though, if Goodell keeps doing stuff like this, it might actually put Spygate into proper historical context.

    Also, what about teams that cut a bunch of players in the uncapped year to avoid dead cap space (Jets)? Aren't they guilty of dumping cap hit into the uncapped year too, which is exactly what the memo prohibited?
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    I would like to know exactly why teams were expected to behave as if there were a cap, in an uncapped year. Uncapped did not men uncapped, apparently.

    The outcome is great for me, not being a fan of either team, but I wonder about the fairness of this decision and whether this isn't an abuse of Goodell's power.

    It's like if there was a law against drinking alcohol, then the law was repealed (and drinking was permitted for a year) and then the law against it was re-instated. Then the cops arrested you for drinking in the year that it was legal. WTF?

    Were they warned against this?
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    Fair enough, but unless there was a specific rule in the provisions surrounding the CBA opt-out, then that should be a toothless threat, and one that sounds an awful lot like collusion. It doesn't matter what the competition committee says, it's either against the rules or it isn't.
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    OTOH, look at it this way:

    If most teams abide by the idea that this is not a "get out of jail free" card, but *some* teams decide it is, then parity is threatened.

    In any case, if I understand the sanction section correctly, it is well within Goodell's rights to do this, but ONLY, according to the NFL by-laws, if the Executive Committee agrees.
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    It sounds an awful lot to me like they are using a crap warning 2 years ago to justify giving more teams cap space because they couldnt find a legit way to do so. This is BS, I don't care that we get more cap space.
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    They exploited the uncapped year and are not NY teams.
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    Per PFT they were told 6 times not to do this, and they did. Screw em, they were told and thought they could get away with it, but now they gotta pay the piper.

    "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the teams were told “at least six times” during ownership-level meetings that there would be “serious consequences” for any team that used the uncapped year as an occasion to dump salaries."
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    But the special get out of dead cap hell free CBA exemption that the Jets were saved by is OK
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    Spot on. How much again? 11 million.
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    The 'boys and 'skins should sue the league on this. Of course, if they do sue and win, the NFLPA will be right behind them claiming collusion.

    Win/Win
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    So does this mean the Redskins' two wins vs the Giants last year are tainted?

    :rolleyes:
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