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  1. Deus Irae

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    I figure it's time to get more into the nuts and bolts of the game, and I thought I'd ease into it by starting with the least valid comparisons of all: Position group by position group. So, without further ado, I'll make it quick and uncluttered so that the Giants posters can argue with a clean slate:

    QB
    - Patriots by a mile

    RB
    - Patriots

    OL
    - Patriots

    TE
    - Patriots by a mile

    WR
    - Giants by a mile

    DL
    - Giants v. pass, Patriots v. run, Giants overall in this specific matchup

    LB
    - Patriots

    DB
    - Giants

    K
    - Patriots

    P
    - Patriots

    Returns
    - Even (Giants edge on KRs, Patriots edge on PRs)




    Fire away.......
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    Don't tell everyone else that, according to them the Giants have a better team in every area blablabla, I agree though with that.

    I guess fans of other teams would say the Giants have better RBs, but healthy BJGE/Woody/Ridley is better than 2006 Corey Dillon and Bradshaw.

    I could see Giants fans arguing QB is a wash or slight pat advantage but we all know its more than that. :D
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    That's how I have had it, agree completely.
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    I agree with your ratings as presented.
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    I might call that one a draw.
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    I'll take a stab at it

    QB
    - Patriots

    RB
    - Giants

    OL
    - Giants although I like the Pats future at tackle better.

    TE
    - Patriots by a mile. That is true even if Gronk can only play half the game. The Giants are getting by with Ballard, but he is injured as well.

    WR
    - Giants by a mile

    DL
    - Giants by a mile

    LB
    - Patriots

    DB
    - Giants

    K
    - Patriots

    P
    - Patriots but it's close

    Returns
    - Patriots. The Giants have been trying to find a decent returner all season.
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    When healthy, I think that Bradshaw is the best RB on the field. But somehow amidst all the discussion about the Gronkle there has been barely a peep about Bradshaw playing with a broken foot. In this matchup, what do you want to take away? For me, it's Manning. That might open some lanes for the running game, and I am fine with that. I look for the Pats to top the century mark including a good helping of Ridley.
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    Could you flesh this one out for me? Here's the raw data:

    Patriots Team: 4.0
    BJGE: 3.7
    Ridley: 5.1
    Woodhead: 4.6

    Giants Team: 3.5
    Bradshaw: 3.9
    Jacobs: 3.8

    On the injury front, BJGE was limited by his toe this year, but he's healthier now. Bradshaw's foot injury is still a problem.
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    Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

    Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.
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    QB: Pats > Giants
    RB: Giants > Pats
    WR: Giants >> Pats
    TE: Pats >>> Giants
    OL: Pats > Giants
    DL: Giants >> Pats
    LB: Pats > Giants
    DB: Giants > Pats
    ST: Giants = Pats
    Coach: Pats >> Giants

    Pats have a slight advantage in matchups, 7-6 (if each > sign is a point).
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    Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurt during the regular season and much less effective than they normally are but are averaging 4.4 and 4.5 YPC behind a worse line than the Pats in the playoffs.

    Benny is averaging 3.4 and Woodhead 4.3. Factor in some production from Hernandez and the fact that a lot more is expected of the Patriots backs in the passing game and I call it a wash. I don't think you can factor in Ridley at all at this point.

    Not that the regular season doesn't count but most people agree that the second half of the season and the playoffs more accurately reflect what these two teams are about. Factoring all that in I'd give it a wash.
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    Why? Giants RBs were terrible this year. At least our RBs were an effective complimentary weapon.
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    Looks about right to me.
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    He gets more attempts but his YPC is also greater so I agree.
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    As I said they were hurt and running behind a worse line. Their playoff numbers more accurately reflect their talent.
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    1.) Straight yardage is pretty much useless at this point. It's the playoffs, after all.

    2.) BJGE ran at a 4.53 clip in that last game, against the Ravens, which isn't exactly stinking up the joint. Bradshaw had nice YPA against the Falcons and Packers, but he's coming off of a 3.7 YPA performance against the 49ers.

    I don't see where this gives the Giants any particular edge.
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    You credit the Giants with playing through injuries, but you didn't note that BJGE spent much of the season dealing with a toe injury and that Woodhead was concussed early on and took quite a while to get over that.

    As for Ridley, why can't he be factored in? He's put up better YPA numbers than any runner for either team. Fumbles aside, he may be the 'best' runner in the game (Super Bowl) this year.
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    I agree with DI's take, but I'm not sure that I'd evaluate it like that. I'd look at it more like:

    Patriots OL vs. Giants DL (pass): wash
    Patriots RB/OL vs. Giants DL (run): adv. Patriots
    Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (pass): wash
    Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (run): adv. Patriots
    Patriots QB/WR vs. Giants secondary: Patriots by a mile
    Giants QB/WR vs. Patriots secondary: Giants by a mile
    Patriots QB/TE vs. Giants LB/S: Patriots by a mile
    Giants QB/TE vs. Patriots LB/S: Adv. Giants
    Patriots kick/punt coverage vs. Giants kick/punt return: wash
    Giants kick/punt coverage vs. Patriots kick/punt return: wash
    Coach: adv. Patriots

    All of that said, I definitely wouldn't weight all of these points equally, but I do believe that the Patriots overall have a real and fairly compelling advantage in this game. Mostly because I don't think the Giants' pass rush has the huge advantage over the Pats' pass protection that everyone is saying it does. The Pats' pass protection has been great.
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    OL isn't close, that goes to the Patriots easily. The addition of Waters gives them one of the top 2 OG tandems in football (N.O. is the other) and Light, Vollmer, and Solder gives the Patriots a 3 deep OT rotation no other team can match. C is the only position on the OL the Giants match up at.

    The Patriots have the best OL in football.
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    I'd take Bradshaw over any RB on our roster.
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    I figure to look at the more direct matchups (OL v. DL, etc...) in other threads. Actually, it would be great if we could get various people writing the O.P.s for those threads, because I don't know if I'll be around enough to get to them all in time. I may end up dealing with an issue that will require me to be somewhere without computers for a while :)eek: ).
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    Yeah.....no.

    The Patriots are literally better at every spot on the OL.
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    I think kickers might be more even.
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    I did factor in BJGE being injured but his numbers in the playoffs are marginal at best where as Bradshaw and Jacobs have picked it up. BJGE is a reliable back but that's about it. I'm glad he's on the roster but I really hope Ridley loses his fumble-itis and Vereen develops and stays healthy.

    I'm not factoring in Ridley because even if he dresses I don't think he'll get the ball. He ran 3/11 vs the Giants in the first meeting and their team speed will keep him from getting to the edge. I think Benny's one cut and go running off the B Gap is the way they'll go or draws to Woodhead. The Giants will be hacking at Ridley trying to get that ball loose every time.
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    Probably just differ on that. Deihl has rounded back into form at LT, the LG experiment in the season failed. Booth looks horrible but luckily plays better than he looks. Those two have improved the running game to the left. They are a big reason for the improvement in the YPC. Baas is a better Center. Snee is a probowl guard. Kmac is an shell of himself at RT and needs to be replaced as soon as possible.
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    Your comment on BJGE is unfair, IMO, as his numbers were poor in the Denver game, but were very solid against the much better Ravens defense (and do we really care about any running numbers from that Broncos game?). On the other hand, Bradshaw ran well against the lesser defenses (GB, ATL), but was comfortably under 4.0 against the 49ers.

    As for Ridley, I expect he'll play and get some run. He expects to play, anyway.
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    So, even if I concede that Baas is better than Connolly and Snee is better than Waters, Light is still better than Diehl, Mankins is much better than Booth, and either Vollmer or Solder are better than McKenzie.

    So Patriots are better at three spots on the line, including both tackle spots. Not only that but our 3rd tackle is better than your starting RT.
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    You're more generous than I am, I wouldn't give him Snee over Waters or Mankins. The Patriots have better players at both OT and OG spots and as you said their 3rd OT is better than the Giants RT.
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    That stuff your smoking in in New York must be good.
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    Is that the third tackle they are replacing because he can't handle a bull rush or the tackle playing his first game in a couple months after breaking his jaw?

    I agree with your other points though. I see it as a push at this point and the Patriot's passing attack does more to help the OL than the Giants does. So the Patriots OL will probably come out of the game playing the better game.
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