Comparison post: Giants roster v. Patriots roster

[Deus Irae]

I figure it's time to get more into the nuts and bolts of the game, and I thought I'd ease into it by starting with the least valid comparisons of all: Position group by position group. So, without further ado, I'll make it quick and uncluttered so that the Giants posters can argue with a clean slate:

QB
- Patriots by a mile

RB
- Patriots

OL
- Patriots

TE
- Patriots by a mile

WR
- Giants by a mile

DL
- Giants v. pass, Patriots v. run, Giants overall in this specific matchup

LB
- Patriots

DB
- Giants

K
- Patriots

P
- Patriots

Returns
- Even (Giants edge on KRs, Patriots edge on PRs)




Fire away.......

 

[patsinthesnow]

Don't tell everyone else that, according to them the Giants have a better team in every area blablabla, I agree though with that.

I guess fans of other teams would say the Giants have better RBs, but healthy BJGE/Woody/Ridley is better than 2006 Corey Dillon and Bradshaw.

I could see Giants fans arguing QB is a wash or slight pat advantage but we all know its more than that.

 

[Ivan]

That's how I have had it, agree completely.

 

[JackBauer]

I agree with your ratings as presented.

 

[everlong]

RB- Patriots

I might call that one a draw.

 

[Catch42]

I'll take a stab at it

QB
- Patriots

RB
- Giants

OL
- Giants although I like the Pats future at tackle better.

TE
- Patriots by a mile. That is true even if Gronk can only play half the game. The Giants are getting by with Ballard, but he is injured as well.

WR
- Giants by a mile

DL
- Giants by a mile

LB
- Patriots

DB
- Giants

K
- Patriots

P
- Patriots but it's close

Returns
- Patriots. The Giants have been trying to find a decent returner all season.

 

[Mack Herron]

When healthy, I think that Bradshaw is the best RB on the field. But somehow amidst all the discussion about the Gronkle there has been barely a peep about Bradshaw playing with a broken foot. In this matchup, what do you want to take away? For me, it's Manning. That might open some lanes for the running game, and I am fine with that. I look for the Pats to top the century mark including a good helping of Ridley.

 

[Deus Irae]

I might call that one a draw.

Could you flesh this one out for me? Here's the raw data:

Patriots Team: 4.0
BJGE: 3.7
Ridley: 5.1
Woodhead: 4.6

Giants Team: 3.5
Bradshaw: 3.9
Jacobs: 3.8

On the injury front, BJGE was limited by his toe this year, but he's healthier now. Bradshaw's foot injury is still a problem.

 

[Catch42]

Could you flesh this one out for me, because I don't really think this is all that close...

Patriots Team: 4.0
BJGE: 3.7
Ridley: 5.1
Woodhead: 4.6

Giants Team: 3.5
Bradshaw: 3.9
Jacobs: 3.8

BJGE was limited by his toe this year, but he's healthier now. On the other hand, Bradshaw's foot injury is still a problem.

Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.

 

[jah]

QB: Pats > Giants
RB: Giants > Pats
WR: Giants >> Pats
TE: Pats >>> Giants
OL: Pats > Giants
DL: Giants >> Pats
LB: Pats > Giants
DB: Giants > Pats
ST: Giants = Pats
Coach: Pats >> Giants

Pats have a slight advantage in matchups, 7-6 (if each > sign is a point).

 

[everlong]

Could you flesh this one out for me, because I don't really think this is all that close...

Patriots Team: 4.0
BJGE: 3.7
Ridley: 5.1
Woodhead: 4.6

Giants Team: 3.5
Bradshaw: 3.9
Jacobs: 3.8

BJGE was limited by his toe this year, but he's healthier now. On the other hand, Bradshaw's foot injury is still a problem.

Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurt during the regular season and much less effective than they normally are but are averaging 4.4 and 4.5 YPC behind a worse line than the Pats in the playoffs.

Benny is averaging 3.4 and Woodhead 4.3. Factor in some production from Hernandez and the fact that a lot more is expected of the Patriots backs in the passing game and I call it a wash. I don't think you can factor in Ridley at all at this point.

Not that the regular season doesn't count but most people agree that the second half of the season and the playoffs more accurately reflect what these two teams are about. Factoring all that in I'd give it a wash.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I might call that one a draw.

Why? Giants RBs were terrible this year. At least our RBs were an effective complimentary weapon.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Looks about right to me.

 

[everlong]

Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.

He gets more attempts but his YPC is also greater so I agree.

 

[everlong]

Why? Giants RBs were terrible this year. At least our RBs were an effective complimentary weapon.

As I said they were hurt and running behind a worse line. Their playoff numbers more accurately reflect their talent.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.

1.) Straight yardage is pretty much useless at this point. It's the playoffs, after all.

2.) BJGE ran at a 4.53 clip in that last game, against the Ravens, which isn't exactly stinking up the joint. Bradshaw had nice YPA against the Falcons and Packers, but he's coming off of a 3.7 YPA performance against the 49ers.

I don't see where this gives the Giants any particular edge.

 

[Deus Irae]

Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurt during the regular season and much less effective than they normally are but are averaging 4.4 and 4.5 YPC behind a worse line than the Pats in the playoffs.

Benny is averaging 3.4 and Woodhead 4.3. Factor in some production from Hernandez and the fact that a lot more is expected of the Patriots backs in the passing game and I call it a wash. I don't think you can factor in Ridley at all at this point.

Not that the regular season doesn't count but most people agree that the second half of the season and the playoffs more accurately reflect what these two teams are about. Factoring all that in I'd give it a wash.

You credit the Giants with playing through injuries, but you didn't note that BJGE spent much of the season dealing with a toe injury and that Woodhead was concussed early on and took quite a while to get over that.

As for Ridley, why can't he be factored in? He's put up better YPA numbers than any runner for either team. Fumbles aside, he may be the 'best' runner in the game (Super Bowl) this year.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I agree with DI's take, but I'm not sure that I'd evaluate it like that. I'd look at it more like:

Patriots OL vs. Giants DL (pass): wash
Patriots RB/OL vs. Giants DL (run): adv. Patriots
Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (pass): wash
Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (run): adv. Patriots
Patriots QB/WR vs. Giants secondary: Patriots by a mile
Giants QB/WR vs. Patriots secondary: Giants by a mile
Patriots QB/TE vs. Giants LB/S: Patriots by a mile
Giants QB/TE vs. Patriots LB/S: Adv. Giants
Patriots kick/punt coverage vs. Giants kick/punt return: wash
Giants kick/punt coverage vs. Patriots kick/punt return: wash
Coach: adv. Patriots

All of that said, I definitely wouldn't weight all of these points equally, but I do believe that the Patriots overall have a real and fairly compelling advantage in this game. Mostly because I don't think the Giants' pass rush has the huge advantage over the Pats' pass protection that everyone is saying it does. The Pats' pass protection has been great.

 

[Ivan]

OL isn't close, that goes to the Patriots easily. The addition of Waters gives them one of the top 2 OG tandems in football (N.O. is the other) and Light, Vollmer, and Solder gives the Patriots a 3 deep OT rotation no other team can match. C is the only position on the OL the Giants match up at.

The Patriots have the best OL in football.

 

[EJ Blitz]

I'd take Bradshaw over any RB on our roster.