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    Defenses can't stop Moss, Welker and Stallworth now while they have excellent footing. Imagine the futility of the situation when they are packpeddling on a wet, slippery and frozen field not knowing where the receiver is apt to go?
     
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    yes but wind and rain can effect throwing. iam sure we wont be move as smoothly in the cold weather and see more running plays .If its just cold weather then its still ok.
    Also as the writer points out..welker does take a lot of hits.
     
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    High wind would be problematic to a passing offense obviously but how often do high wind days happen?

    As for Welker I'm more worried about the possibility he gets hurt running back punts than any hit he takes catching passes from Brady.
     
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    Sloppy tracks favor the receivers provided the QB can grip the ball. It's much easier to cut on wet ground when you know where you are going as opposed to reacting to someone's cut like a d-back has to do.

    Look at the snow game.
     
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    The new turf at Gillette does help!
     
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    I agree with all the posters who give the passing offense even more of an advantage in the rain.

    Interesting historical note - Randy Moss's breakout game in 1998 at Lambeau Field happened during a driving rainstorm....
     
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    And wherever would the Pats find another slot receiver...hmm...;)

    A slot receiver/ PR's job is to take a lot of hits, I'm not too worried about Wes. But the more I think about this glorious pass-happy offense and how key the slot man is, the more I think Troy Brown does make it back to the 53 as Welker insurance.
     
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    So they are using the "run and shoot?" (essentially??)

    Just because you line up and throw the ball around, that makes it the run and shoot?

    Some of the scheme knowledgable folks gotta weigh in on this. I think that this assumption is off the mark. The colts don't run the "run and shoot."

    I do agree that Welker is huge and that we can't afford him getting hurt. But it is his yak that might be the biggest thing, (well, he gets open wonderfully too.) But, it is the whole package that makes it so.

    To say that it won't work because of weather, or injuries (that he implies WILL occur since they happened in other Run and shoot examples) seems like the clutching at straws kinda thing.

    Anyway, we will see. Randy grew up playing in semmi cold weather in Virginia. Bottom line is that Brady throws a very nice ball for these guys, and the o-line is doing great. He has time. The whole package is doing wonderfully. It is not just, "well the run and shoot has been beat, so it'll happen again. Next question." They are fool to think this way. But, there are a lot of fools so... we shall see.
     
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    Yet another columnist who posits that the Patriots don't/can't run the ball. This is not the run-and-shoot, I don't care what that F-ing GM says, that's just silly.
     
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    I think maybe he's confusing a spread offense with the run n shoot.

    The run n shoot offense I recall - J Pardee's from the USFL days and the Oilers under W Moon - ran 4 wideouts who all were involved in a quick hitting passing styled offense.

    I don't think the Pats run a quick hitting offense. I'd call it a big play, down the field, spread offense.
     
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    That is what I thought too. It's just a lazy analysis. "oh, dey tro da bawl all da frick'n time, so, dats da run an chute. Case closed."

    WTF??

    How bout this, the pats are all CIA agents, and they win because it is a plan to get world wide noteriety so that they will be invited to China and they will like take over china, cause they can roll like that.

    Lets just make stuff up and then run with it like our hair is on fire.

    Frick'n idiots.
     
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    Thanks.

    And, what was the TE's responcability? I mean, was there a TE? There was not one according to my math if they ran with four Wide. And the pats use like two TE's a ton!

    So, which GM is the stupidest in the world and made this analysis. Can every one say, former GM Casserly. (that dude really gets me. What a looooza!)
     
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    I grew up in Texas and remember the run-and-shoot well. It was a 3 or 4 WR set but in addition to that the "run" portion featured alot of roll-outs of the QB as well. (You could hit the deep ball on plays by moving the pocket.)

    So no, we're not running a run-and-shoot. That comment was assanine. It's obviously the GM of the Jets, Rams, or Dolphins.

    That said, I can't believe I'm reading that the biggest problem for the Patriots is going to be bad weather games. Bad weather games!? You mean the games that people are always whining give us too much of an advantage!? It's not like they've forgotten their short-passing and run games. They just don't need them right now.

    Bad weather games. ROFL It's the Patriots, people. We dominate in bad weather (and when we don't we have a tuck rule.)
     
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    Pardee's run n shoot used 4 WR's and a scat back at RB who was more adept at catching the ball then running it. A QB too. And 5 OL. No TE.
     
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    Hey, so how many times are we now gonna hear that the pats are "Basically" using the run and shoot?

    These fools just go to the salt lick and sit their fat asses down, lickin away at whatever any one of their brethren spit forth.
     
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    Well there you go. It's the run-n-shoot, with Kyle Brady at WR. :p
     
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    How come we as like fans know this and both carucci and this GM have trouble with it?

    The NFL has a lot of dunder-heads.

    And brady really moves around in the pocket (as another poster stated.)

    Sheesh.
     
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    Wind can make throwing downfield a dicey proposition at best, impossible at worst. Cold and snow have no effect one way or the other (for teams accustomed to such conditions), and snow probably helps the offense.
     
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