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Stallworth may be a good teammate, but he drank and drove and killed someone. It showed a lack of caring for others. Personally, i have no use for people like that because he got what amounted to a slap on the wrist while the family has to suffer for the rest of their lives without their loved one.
He went out and had a couple of drinks at dinner then drove after that. He wasn't tanked. What happened was a freak accident that was unfortunate for the guy he hit as well as Stallworth. So let me guess, you've never had a couple of glasses of wine while at dinner with family or friends and then drove home?
EDIT: And it's going to be funny to see some of the responses for this. I guess Brady is going to be called a "P.O.S." and a "piece of garbage" for supporting such a heartless murdering scumbag, right?
You need to lay off this guy. Just like KontradictioN said, Stallworth wasn't tanked.
Maybe you should learn a bit more about how the OUI laws have changed since 2003, for good and bad, before you cast judgements. Hit a person while you're driving with a blood alcohol level of .07, and its a just a terrible tragedy. Hit a person while you're driving with a blood alcohol level of .08, and you're a dirty, irresponsible, murdering scumbag.
Sure, Stallworth's blood alcohol was higher than .08 - but he wasn't roaring drunk and the alcohol might not have even been a factor in the accident. But he'll pay for it nonetheless. Fair application of the law, right?
Well I officially call Stallworth a liar. He said he only had four shots, but a couple hours later blew a .126. Un-possible.
Edit: If he was really sorry about it, he wouldn't continue to lie about the situation. In my eyes, this makes him a bigger d-bag.
His alcohol level was over the legal limit. Freak accident or not, that's showing poor judgment on his part to drive under the circumstance and a person is dead because of it.
No. The guy he hit actually jumped over a jersey barrier to get on to that causeway. He had no business being there, and was putting is life in danger. Stallworth flashed his highbeams honked his horn but couldn't take evasive action because it was a one-lane road with a barrier. There is blame to be found on both sides.
Wrong. The person in question would have been dead regardless of whether or not Stallworth was drinking. He stepped in the road in front of an oncoming car. While it was a poor decision to drive under the influence, there is little doubt that the accident would have happened regardless of whether or not he had a couple before the accident occured. If you haven't yet, I strongly encourage you to listen to Stallworth's 911 call.
He displayed poor judgement that night and made a terrible mistake. I don't think though that it means he has an outright lack of caring for others. If he goes out and gets another DUI, whether somebody is harmed or not, then I'd definitely begin to suspect the same. But IMO the guy deserves a 2nd chance.
OK, havnt we already gone over this? the accident is not quite clear cut
yea stallworth had alcohol in his blood over the legal limit, but the right quesiton is how much did that affect the accident
fact is, there is a possibility that even without ANY alcohol the accedent may have still occured, which means the pedestrian was as fault as well
the fact that stallworth had been drinking only complicates the matter
You can't know this. No one can. Stallworth might have blown .262 and the guy might not have died. Butterfly's wings and all. Doesn't discount the fact that driving under the influence is as dangerous as carrying a loaded weapon in the waistband of your sweatpants (maybe more dangerous). That alone means it should never be considered a "tragic accident" and more of a criminal act.
But this has all been covered ad nauseam here and other places. There are some who believe as I do and some who believe that drinking and driving is no big deal, minds will never be changed unless something major happens to that person. I just hope I never "run into" any of the other camp when I am driving.
If the man who was killed was a relative to ANY of you and you loved him then you know damn well you would have a different opinion of Donte's drinking while slightly impaired than you do now because in reality none of you care about that dead guy who you didn't know.
Lets not BS here and say "I still would have thought Donte didn't do much wrong" if you knew the dead man.
I still wonder if MY own accident was not the reason of an impaired driver myself,will never know
We don't know how Stallworth would have reacted had he been completely sober.
I'm sure you've experienced situations where you've had to take evasive maneuvers to avoid getting into an accident because another driver/or pedestrian wasn't paying attention. Had he not been drinking, he may have been aware of what was around him.
Put it this way, if Stallworth was some random guy driving around over the alcohol legal limit and he kills a little kid who runs out into the street, I think your stance would be different.
Wait..........Stallworth had time to flash his higbeams AND honk his horn, but couldn't stop or slow down his car?
Anyone who has ever driven on 395 where this accident happenened sympathizes with Stallworth. The Peter King story is the first place I've seen it described accurately - it is a six lane highway. Have you ever seen someone run across 128? I don't remember ever seeing it in the 20 years I lived up there and I don't care to speculate on how I might react if it happened, especially if it happened in the dark. Fact is, we don't know if the accident could've been avoided if he hadn't been drinking, but every aspect of his behavior post-accident makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I thought that this was about Brady's support, in my view was appropriate... did not exhonerate him, just offered some encouragement.
did you ever lose a loved one to a drunk-driving incident?
stallworth did what so many, many people in our society do on a regular basis (including myself)
he is not a murdering scumbag, but he had an extremely bad lapse in judgement that cost someone else their life. did alcohol play a part? it doesn't really matter in my opinion except that it is how the law is written.
if that had happened to me, or to the average private citizen on a 1st DUI, I duobt any of us would have done time.
I still classify the event as an 'accident' and something that has plenty of room to be litigated for in civil court.
I don't feel bad for him in any way......he deserves to live with the guilt he has......that said, I don't think of him any differently as a person......for me as well as most of us, that woudl be hypocritical
How considerate of Brady. His statement alone says alot about what type of person he is. A very humble guy...
I don't think the guy was standing still in the middle of the road the whole time. From what I've read, the guy was hoping the barrier and walking across the road when Dante flashed and hit the horn, the guy still kept on walking. Then I assume he hit the brake when he realized there would be a collision.
I lost a good friend in 1992 who was 22 at the time...she actually killed herself driving a car 80 MPH and crashing head on into a high median in the road while being intoxicated to the max and probably full of drugs too,died in the life flight helicopter.
I didn't know this happened until I watched my local noon news and saw the picture of her car upside down and crushed and them mentioning her name....It was one of my most saddest and shocking moments I can remember.
Thanks heavens she took no one with her nor did she hit any other vehicle since it was 3am
I have seen it happen from both sides ....... ugly in both instances, but seeing someone you know be the perpetrator, and knowing the person, it really makes you look in the mirror
Too bad that Brady couldn't convince Bill to take a 2nd chance on Stallworth, here. He would've been automatically WR #2 when Edelman moves into the slot. Stallworth No, but the older, smaller, slower, just as rusty Patten Yes? I don't get it.
When I was 19, I was driving back home from work during the day going down a two lane road. On the other side of the road was a mom, a dad, and a little 7 year old girl who had just got off the school bus. The girl turned and ran toward the middle of the road. I hit my brakes and slowed down. Her dad called her and she turned around to look at him and started walking back toward him. Thinking it was okay, I proceeded to go again and hit 21 MPH (as determined by the skidmarks afterward). Little Brooklyn then turned away from her father and ran back out in front of my car where she proceeded to bounce off the bumper and smack her head off the road. Long story short, Brooklyn survived the crash with a few stitches in her head and a broken nose. She was very fortunate considering I was (at the time) driving a Jeep Cherokee 4x4. I was very fortunate considering she lived and considering I was going under the assigned speed limit when I hit her. All I got out of that accident was having to live with the memory of her lying motionless on the road thinking I severely hurt her and the threat of a lawsuit by her parents (which angered me considering it was THEIR fault for this happening).
Now, no matter if I was at fault or not, had I gone out to dinner with my girlfriend and her family before this and drank two beers with my dinner, I would have been locked up afterward for a vehicular crime while being under the influence... and it wouldn't have mattered if the accident could have been prevented by taking alcohol away, little bit that it might have been (you're typically considered under the influence if you drink 1 1/2 beers). On top of that, my family would have suffered for it financially since the lawsuit would have been aimed at them. Yes, I've been in Stallworth's near exact same situation, and I can honestly tell you that when something like that happens, it doesn't matter if you've had a couple or not... there is going to be an accident. I'm actually rooting for Stallworth this year and hope he can rebound to help his career. What happened to him was unfortunate for him and his victim's family. It's now time to move on.
That was a very nice gesture on the part of Brady.
This day and age, if anyone gets caught driving with more than the legal limit of alcohol in the blood, then not only do they deserve serious jail time but they also need serious psychological work. As far as I'm concerned they are as guilty as anyone else who gets charged with attempted murder. And yes I state my case from the perspective of someone has suffered at the hands of a drunk driver.
I lean towards Kontra's view of things here, but would basically sum it up by saying the world is not a simple place. Things are not black and white. Good people do bad things, and they are capable of making horrible mistakes. To try and say Stallworth is a terrible person b/c of one action - which may be terrible, but is ultimately somewhat relatable for some people - seems harsh.
Either way, what Brady did was very classy and shows what kind of character he has.
You know whats becoming as bad as drunk drivers?
Its SOBER drivers using thier cell phones and not paying attention to the road
I think there needs to be a seroius law about cell phones and driving...like a $200 fine every time caught doing it when the car is above a certain speed.
But you weren't drinking and you slowed down. Who knows, maybe that saved the little girls life. Maybe if Stallworth isn't impaired he actually slows down enough where the man is hit enough only to break his nose and get a few stitches. Know one can know. But the facts are that he was under the influence when he got in his car (and illegal act) and now a man is dead.
I might have been rooting for him too, but based on Peter King's story he is still lying about it - this means he hasn't learned enough about what happened.
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