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    Patriots blog - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

    Rookie RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis has been fined $5,000 by the NFL for a late hit on Rams CB Fakhir Brown in Sunday's 23-16 win over the Rams.

    It was a late hit, the fine is understandable.
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    Then why wasn't it called by the crew working that night?

    My problem with these fines for non-calls is that it seems like it is serving to undercut the authority of the refs. Basically, the NFL is saying that their crew missed some calls that should have been made. And there's now going to be a two-part refereeing process - one during the game and one afterwards. And while it is all nice and good to punish the offender afterwards, if I was an opposing fan, I'd be pissed that it wasn't called at the game. Either stand behind your refs' calls, or don't be surprised when people question the fairness of the refs' calls.

    But it's not really a surprise coming from a billion-dollar industry that is so cheap it won't even pay for full-time refs.
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    Least we forget it is run by Roger "Jets" Goodell.
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    I disagree. Refs should do the best job they can. But sometimes they miss stuff.

    If hit was a fineable offense then player should be fined even if the refs missed it. Otherwise the player gets away twice, instead of only once.
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    They want to fine someone, fine the guy that speared Cassel in the 4th QTR of the Bronco's game.

    12:12 left in the 4th QTR - 3rd and 3 and Cassel scrambles up the left. The guy Led with his helmet and the hit was late as well.

    Watch that and tell me how that dude does not get a mother of a fine.
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    I'm not trying to say that the NFL shouldn't try to crack down on the late roughness, but I'm not so sure they are going about it the right way. They should be doing all they can to get those calls made on the field, rather than seeming to create a second process after the fact and after the penalty may have affected the game.

    What if you were a Seahawks fan and found out later that the NFL fined a bunch of Steelers for plays from that Super Bowl - calls that if made on the field would possibly have turned around the game. Wouldn't you feel like the NFL isn't doing everything they can to get the best refereeing on the field, during the game, that they possibly can?

    I'm thinking a Seahawks fan, in this scenario, would have a lot more to say than that.
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    I was really surprised a flag wasn't thrown when that happened. But to fine him after the fact when the flag WASN'T tossed just doesn't seem right.
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    The refs are human they can miss things and if he makes a late hit then he should be fined.
    If i walked up and stabbed you in the middle of a bar brawl but the cops were breaking up a six man brawl in the middle i got caught on tape would you want me to get away when there is evidence but no official sighting by a person of power?
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    Dummie. What was he doing?
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    No, but if the cops had cameras everywhere and a billion-dollar budget, I'd sure as hell wonder why there wasn't somebody watching the camera at the time who could help the cops on the ground get all of the attackers as it was happening. And while I'd be glad they eventually got the guy, I'd be really pissed if you stabbed someone else on your way out, while the cops in charge of the cameras were too busy counting their money.
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    if there is a lot going on it is sometime hard to see who's done what until a closer look.

    Video officials only come in to play on a challenge or inside the 2 mins they don't call penalties that the job of the guys on the field.
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    Man Im sick of all these fines from what I remember the hit wasnt bad at all. Is it just me or does it seem like the pats are always taking fines for calls that the refs blew or didnt call during the game ? The way the NFL reviews the games after they have been played is ridiculous. Stop playing Big Brother
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    Yeah, I know how the system works, it just seems to me that the NFL should be trying to fix the system rather than creating a second one of reviews and fines that highlights the problems of the first.

    Just last week we saw how the system screwed the Atlanta Falcons, possibly out of a win. I just think that the NFL can afford a system where we don't have to hear afterwards that the officials screwed up.

    Maybe it's just me, and if so, I'll shut up, but I just think that the NFL should take a long, hard look at the referee system that they have and see if there isn't a way that they can improve it so the calls on the field get called and get called the right way. That way, someone getting fined after no penalty was called would be the exception rather than the rule - as it seems to be becoming.
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    If they are giving fines for every single late hit, then I have no problem with this.

    If BJGE received a fine but other people whose late hits were flagged did not, then I don't understand the inconsistency.
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    I don't understand the fine at all. Yes the hit was late, but it wasn't that late. Browns second foot hadn't come down out of bounds yet. I thought it was not called on the field because the refs (probably correctly) decided that BJGE didn't have time to stop himself. All this is going to do is cause BJGE to slow up the next time and whoever has the ball will fake going out of bounds then blow by him.
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    I know it is selfish, but i really don't give two hoots if a player gets fined.

    If his act results in a penalty that ends a drive or keeps the other teams drive alive then I am pissed. Likewise, I really don't care that Bill and Bob had to fork over some coin because of spygate -- the first round draft pick pissed me off.

    For me Wilfork not missing any games was great news. I really don't care how much money it cost him.
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    It does create a new tier of things...and what is bad is that this tier is being just as inconsistent as the first OR even more so.. I have seen worse hits..more blatant and NO fines..no penalties,,the NFL needs to look at the system of refs..bring it into the 21st century...and make the refs full time. Time for them to study and improve in the off season..
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    Does he even make $5000 per game?:D

    Goodell must go!
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    This fine is beyond stupid.

    It's a freakin' game. Not a criminal enterprise.

    I'm sure his intent was anything other than hurting the guy carrying the ball.

    Goodell is an idiot.

    Fines for a penalty on the field. Ludicrous.

    Goodell needs to go.
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    Yeah, every game there are missed calls that should have been made.

    If in doubt in live action, calls should not be made.

    While it isn't right for penalties to go uncalled, it is far far worse to penalize a team when they did nothing wrong. That is totally demoralizing and makes players question what they are doing and hesitate that split second that causes a missed tackle, block, etc.
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    Fining Wilfork for hitting Jay Cutler away from the play as he tried to get up off the ground is understandable - it protects a multi-million dollar investment from excessive harm, defined as hitting a player away from the action.

    Fining BJeepers for hitting a guy one step out of bounds is stepping off the tightrope balancing act between protecting players from harm and mothering them into tutus and footy pajamas. It sends a message that playing to the whistle is no longer the standard for tackling the ball carrier (there is no way that hit occured after the whistle, at worst it was simultaneous to the whistle). BJeepers should have drawn a flag, that's the rule, but his play was not egregiously dangerous, did not occur away from the play, and was no worse than some of the late hits on QBs, most of which do not earn a fine. I'm just sure Roy Williams was fined for his first horse collar tackle.

    If BJeepers gets fined for this, watch for Seymour & Co. to draw fines for late hits on the QB, helmet to helmet, or striking the helmet of the QB. Most of those "incidents" occur at game speed and are inadvertant, especially factoring in momentum.

    This was a bogus fine, excessive to the situation. Goodall & the Competition Committe are off the tightrope and putting in a five lane highway.
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    Guys -
    While I am against the excessive fining that Goodell has been doing, I think most of you who are against this fine are forgetting something. This was going on under Tagliabue's tenure as well.

    You are also forgetting that we don't hear about other players being fined. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we hear only 1/100th of the fines that are actually handed out. For various reasons. The biggest one is that the local guys just don't tell us when other players are fined unless it made the news to begin with. Such as the times when Roy Williams horse collared people and blew their knee out or something. Other than that, we just don't hear about it.
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    If it was done under Tags..it was done quietly and and never with the amounts..it also was kept in house and done with civility..As to whether Patriots fans are hearing all about fines from other teams..there are places where one can find about things like that. One hundreth of fines?? That is PURE BS.. cite a source on that?? SO..in your head..we know of two fines for Patriot players this week...with your logic of 1 in 100...there would be about 200 other fines this week?? THAT is laughable...you must have flunked math...NOT even close..
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    Its called exaggeration for affect. Sorry that you are to inept to figure that out. Also, I said I bet we hear about only 1/100 of the fines handed out. I didn't restrict it to strictly the Patriots or restrict it to a single week's timeframe. By my logic, that means that over the course of the season, there are probably a lot more fines handed out than we know of.

    It was done under Tags and it wasn't done quietly. Some were announced by the media. I can remember Carl Pickens of the Bengals getting cited for wearing the wrong color socks. There have been other players fined as well. As I said, we generally don't hear about it because the local reporters don't mention ever fine that goes out.

    Why do I need to cite sources when I am stating an opinion based on what I've seen. Tell me, do you hear about the fines that happen to players in Seattle or in Kansas City? I don't. But I hear about the ones in Dallas because I currently live outside of Dallas. I also hear about the ones for the Pats because I read the Globe and Projo.
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    Even worse though, it seems that the consistency is mind boggling...

    BJeepers gets fined, while the killer helmet-to-helmet hit that Lawyer Milloy put on a defenseless LJ Smith, which DID draw a flag for unnecessary roughness last weekend, goes without a fine. ?!?
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    I have another word for what it was PURE BS....and exaggeration or not THAt is what it was. The ONLY ineptness is one who writes things and steps in it.. like you did..NO...your LOGIC missed out entirely..NOW it seems you are sayingt "hat means that over the course of the season, there are probably a lot more fines handed out than we know of." REALLY.NO S***!!..If that was what you meant why didn't you say that?? Not my problem that people write dumb things and run away from them...Yes of course we do not know ALL of them...but there are plnety of places that one can learn about the fines..espcially repeat offenders..or really dumb things like the socks..ACtually it was done a LOT quieter..please go back and read some of the PFT archives from that time..there were fines but NOTHING AT ALL like what has been happening with Goodell. Not even close.
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    I Second that Goodell needs to go
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    I had never heard of a fine for late hit out of bounds during Tags tenure.
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    Does anyone have a clip of BJGE's hit? I only saw the fourth quarter of the game since I was working all day until then.
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    I have to say....that I am proud of him on this.....so many players going through the motions......BJGE (love the nickname) PLAYS SOME F'in Football......and yeah he is a little late....but damn it....he's playing some ball......and giving it everything he has......Kraft ought to give him a 5k bonus......wasn't that dangerous of a hit....just late........I hope more Pats plays get an infusion of his "fire".......Now, you want to talk about a dangerous hit....that was NOT given a fine....was a spearing shot on Cassel helmet to helmet during the Denver game......will have to double check on who the culprit was..........GO BJGE!!!!!
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