Bill Belichick’s empire has fallen. How will the Patriots pick up the pieces?

[n6249c]

Yeah probably overkill at this point but a lot of frustration built over the last 4 years; made much worse that it was initiated by a self inflicted wound in massaging Brady out. Also did not help that anyone that complained first couple years got shut down

That’s a specious argument. No matter when Brady left or how it happened the mess that followed was inevitable. He was an act that nobody could follow and perform well enough to satisfy. At best it would’ve been a couple of years later before the present situation began, but it would’ve been the same.

 

[Tunescribe]

Instant +7 ppg improvement over a QB considered to be among the league’s best. “Incredible out of the gate” is a much more apt description than “solid with glimmers of star potential.”

We might be splitting hairs at some point here, but Tom's efforts in Miami and Denver (games 4 and 7) pretty much singlehandedly spelled those losses. And that's totally OK in the context of a young guy learning the ropes. His play against San Diego certainly qualifies as incredible. But on balance that year he was a solid prototypical game manager -- the stats (per game and accumulative) reinforce that assessment.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

We might be splitting hairs at some point here, but Tom's efforts in Miami and Denver (games 4 and 7) pretty much singlehandedly spelled those losses. And that's totally OK in the context of a young guy learning the ropes. His play against San Diego certainly qualifies as incredible. But on balance that year he was a solid prototypical game manager -- the stats (per game and accumulative) reinforce that assessment.

So they replaced a perennial pro bowl franchise QB (highest paid QB in football) with a game manager and averaged a touchdown more per game with said game manager?

 

[Tunescribe]

So they replaced a perennial pro bowl franchise QB (highest paid QB in football) with a game manager and averaged a touchdown more per game with said game manager?

I don't get what you're trying to argue here and the touchdown more per game distinction is not clear. Tom took over when Bledsoe got hurt in the second game, are you comparing offensive point averages from the first two games to the subsequent 14?

Veteran Bledsoe got seriously injured, Brady was his much less experienced replacement. Calling Brady's performance through the balance of that season "game manager" is not pejorative, it worked. BB liked the offensive chemistry that developed while Bledsoe convalesced, apparently saw Tom's longer-term potential (which surfaced in training camp) and decided against switching back. The rest is history, as you know. But yes, in 2001: Tom Brady game manager.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't get what you're trying to argue here and the touchdown more per game distinction is not clear. Tom took over when Bledsoe got hurt in the second game, are you comparing offensive point averages from the first two games to the subsequent 14?

Yes. That stat has been reiterated many times on here. The Patriots scoring output increased significantly with Brady. Brady and his +7 ppg (plus intangibles) was the difference between 14-3 and 5-13.

Veteran Bledsoe got seriously injured, Brady was his much less experienced replacement. Calling Brady's performance through the balance of that season "game manager" is not pejorative, it worked. BB liked the chemistry, apparently saw Tom's longer-term potential (which supposedly surfaced in training camp) and decided against switching back. The rest is history, as you know. But yes, in 2001: Tom Brady game manager.

I’d like a game manager since apparently that role increases scoring output and winning percentage by a massive amount, and results in a pro bowl selection, two game winning playoff drives, and a Super Bowl MVP.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

You sound like a fantasy football idiot that took a loss because BB went for it on 4th and one. How old are you? I figure you're a kid born between the two dynasties. Born with rings and guarantees no loyalty. Holy ****, half of our fan base have become Yankee fan cub scouts.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

Oh, by the way, nobody,and I mean nobody ever heard of the term "game manager" before Tom came along. It came from Bill, explaining to the world that he was asking him to control the basic offensive side along with the coaches BB had in place, all the way through McDaniels. The only thing that changed for Brady was 07, when they decided offense was the new football. Along comes that ****ty GM BB and gets Moss and Welker for TB. NO ****ING RINGS!

Here's my thing with BB. If you're so ****ing smart, compare the draft picks that you feel have been failures, and see if the have a Superbowl ring. If they do, they get a point. Now, go and compare that to any coach of you're choice, and they can have two points, drafted by their original team.

After you've finished the math, go knock on each players door that's won a ring under BB and ask them if they actually give a **** where you think they should have gone when they were drafted. I look forward to you're response, brave ones.

Oh, I've been meaning to get this off my chest. Anyone that calls himself a captain with a lower case C, should consider himself out of comfortable waters, sailor.

 

[JayNM]

Take it to church - this is the plan for the Pats:

Not a single rebuild here dwells with the real problem, so here is my take:

- More scouts, both in NFL and College radius, comfortable with the use of modern data analytics. Complete overhaul on how we evaluate prospects and pros.

- Business Intelligence consultant to avoid overpaying for outside trash and letting premium in-house talent go

- Finance Manager to use cap space creatively

- Bring talented, young coaches with different ties/background from the norm here to compliment the staff.

- Bring decision-makers, both on-field and off-field, who can challange BB.


then we can talk about which players to get.

Last time I post this post here.

 

[PatsFan2]

Uche kinda sucks and every other trans knows it. He is a liability when not rushing the passer. He has never developed in any other role.
He had a run of 10 sacks in 6 games, because of Judon and a blitzing scheme that left him one on one and otherwise has 7.5 sacks in 36 career games. A month and a half of opportunism is not a good player.

Guess nobody wanted him at the trade deadline. I don't expect Him to get paid as much as he thinks in FA. Teams are leery of Patriots FA's buyer beware.

 

[raduray]

He absolutely needs to perform better. No defense really warranted other than his own admission that the entire organization must do better.
The piling on BB due to having such a limited imagination, no real investigative skills, or just flat out laziness when facing a deadline or filling airtime is repetitive stagnation and boring. It's a mind numbing drumbeat that seems to keep on paying out for the parrots. At least the misery of the 86 year drought of the Red Sox was mostly limited to New England and for some a form of self flagellation.
A better boss, editor, producer would demand better subject matter you'd think.

Yeah, just as repetitive and boring and Bill's news conferences.

 

[RIpats88]

I’d like to see Dugger, Onwenu @ RT and Jennings back in a bigger role. No reason to bring Uche back unless it’s at a massive discount. He just doesn’t fit this defense. I could see him being a very good player on a team that will utilize his skill set which makes it even more confusing as to why we didn’t trade and get compensation for him.

common consensus is that duggar/Onewenu will be gone next summer. Most teams lock up their young talent before FA. just more mismanagement on the part of bill the GM. who do we replace them with? bill will probably have to go on a spending spree again for other team's players they wont pay because they aren't worth the money.

people love to blame the "brady era going all in!" for 2020 and the 2021 spending spree. but the only reason you had that much cap-space and have that much this summer is because they have drafted poorly and there's no one worth re-signing. or if there are good players like duggar/onwenu. Bill refused to offer them a contract and now they will be FA and will most likely get paid by another team.

generally you build a team by drafting well and then paying your young drafted talent. Bill is drafting poorly, and even when he has good players will refuse to pay them and lose them for nothing....

 

[RIpats88]

And this right here is why he is forced to overpay in FA for bums like Parker and JuJu. Good to very great picks on a sweetheart deal make a huge difference.

also doesn't help that when he gets a good player, rather than locking them up he tells them to go to FA and refuses to pay them. this is no way to build a team.

 

[PatsWSB47]

We might be splitting hairs at some point here, but Tom's efforts in Miami and Denver (games 4 and 7) pretty much singlehandedly spelled those losses. And that's totally OK in the context of a young guy learning the ropes. His play against San Diego certainly qualifies as incredible. But on balance that year he was a solid prototypical game manager -- the stats (per game and accumulative) reinforce that assessment.

It wasn't those losses that defined him though. It was his response to them that does. "A solid prototypical game manager", while not entirely wrong falls short of what he was. He had the intangible qualities that can't be measured. He was the ultimate winner.

 

[Ring 6]

Instant +7 ppg improvement over a QB considered to be among the league’s best. “Incredible out of the gate” is a much more apt description than “solid with glimmers of star potential.”

Half of it was defense and special teams scores, and it also came with an “instant” 52% increase in takeaways.

 

[Real fan 02]

Revolting!?! What a load of bs. He asked someone outside the team for help. How often does Bill "revolt" when he calls one of his bum chums outside the team?

BB had no problem texting Jimmy G before and after games.. nothing gets made of that..

 

[cmasspatsfan]

common consensus is that duggar/Onewenu will be gone next summer. Most teams lock up their young talent before FA. just more mismanagement on the part of bill the GM. who do we replace them with? bill will probably have to go on a spending spree again for other team's players they wont pay because they aren't worth the money.

people love to blame the "brady era going all in!" for 2020 and the 2021 spending spree. but the only reason you had that much cap-space and have that much this summer is because they have drafted poorly and there's no one worth re-signing. or if there are good players like duggar/onwenu. Bill refused to offer them a contract and now they will be FA and will most likely get paid by another team.

generally you build a team by drafting well and then paying your young drafted talent. Bill is drafting poorly, and even when he has good players will refuse to pay them and lose them for nothing....

They're not gone yet so don't write their epithet just yet.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It wasn't those losses that defined him thought. It was his response to them that does. "A solid prototypical game manager", while not entirely wrong falls short of what he was. He had the intangible qualities that can't be measured. He was the ultimate winner.

He was clutch, always was clutch, that's what made him so special and better than any other QB. But the first three super bowls are not just TB, it was coaching and other players, Tom was the perfect guy to put them over the top, but he wasn't alone out there. I don't get the denigrating everyone else with and without Tom, they had him and brought out the best of him, they all deserve credit.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

In spite of the fact that the word you meant to use (parity) is spelled wrong the word you used (parody) actually describes the current NYFL perfectly.

Funny that spellchecker changed it to that. Maybe it's intuitive.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

I don't hate BB. I love him like a grandfather who accomplished much but who now is in his dottage.

Eventually you realize its dangerous for grandpa to keep driving the car and you take away the keys for his own and others’ safety

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

He absolutely needs to perform better. No defense really warranted other than his own admission that the entire organization must do better.
The piling on BB due to having such a limited imagination, no real investigative skills, or just flat out laziness when facing a deadline or filling airtime is repetitive stagnation and boring. It's a mind numbing drumbeat that seems to keep on paying out for the parrots. At least the misery of the 86 year drought of the Red Sox was mostly limited to New England and for some a form of self flagellation.
A better boss, editor, producer would demand better subject matter you'd think.

Amen. You do not pay a CEO top dollar for 4 consecutive years of net revenue losses. You expect to at least see progressively smaller losses each year.
Hopefully Kraft and BB will do what needs to be done on black Monday.