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First off, omigod. 16.5?!?!?! That means if the game were in Foxboro, the line would be 22.5. 22.5!!!!!

Second, Pats always struggle in Miami. Always.

Third, no Watson, no Morris, and maybe no Maroney.

Fourth... did I mention 16.5 points?!?!?!

How can one NOT select the Fins to cover? Your thoughts?

Home field is worth 3 points so it would 19.5

With that said I think the Pats most likely only need to score 17-24 points to cover as the Dolphins might get a FG or a TD but nothing more. I would be shocked if the Dolphins get 10 points. Take the Pats they are 6-0 ATS this season even if you lose this week (extremely doubtfull) you will come out ahead in the end. ;)
 
This is crazy. The partiots have won all their games by at least 17. The line is 16.5 against the worst team in football, and a team against we have a serious current grudge (after last year's game). If you must bet, why would you bet that Miami will do what no else has accomplished? It makes no sense. If this were a college game, where higher spreads are not unusual, the spread would be 21.5 or even more.
 
The doophins always plays the Patriots tough, no matter how bad their teams are. If I were a betting man, I would stay away from this one.
 
Home field is worth 3 points so it would be 19.5

My understanding is that it's a 3 points between away and neutral, and three more between neutral and home.

Thus, if the game were played at a neutral site, it would be -19.5. If it was at the Razor, the line would be -22.5.
 
I know Miami stinks this yr, but when was the very last time we just outright dominated the Dolphins in miami..We may do it this yr,but I need to see it first.

Agree they are our Kryptonite (sp?) but they had a Superbowl caliber defense in each of those seasons and really got after Brady. With all the injuries to their defense it makes it improbable that they will be able to befuddle Brady like they are used to. And we won't even discuss the offense. :D

I think this is finally the year where we go down there and blow them out. Brady throws for 3-4 TD's and Maroney runs all over the 31st ranked run defense in the league. Pats roll 41-3!
 
My understanding is that it's a 3 points between away and neutral, and three more between neutral and home.

Thus, if the game were played at a neutral site, it would be -19.5. If it was at the Razor, the line would be -22.5.

I haven't heard it that way but I'm no sharpie either. Just my understanding. I very well could be wrong.:D
 
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This would be a crazy game to bet on. The Pats, no matter the circumstances, have had trouble in Miami. As for betting AGAINST the Pats this year, you'd have to be insane. A no-play for the betting man if there ever was one.
 
I will be betting the Pats minus the 16.5. I am going to hedge it with the over, since the only way the Dolphins could cover the spread is by scoring, they won't hold us to under 35. And I will be in Vegas, so this will be a real betting!!
 
16.5 seems low. NE has won every game by 17+. Miami may be the worst team in the league. NE has yet to fail to cover. Where's the problem?
 
This would be a crazy game to bet on. The Pats, no matter the circumstances, have had trouble in Miami. As for betting AGAINST the Pats this year, you'd have to be insane. A no-play for the betting man if there ever was one.

I don't know the line seems accurate the Pats have won by an average of 23 ppg and the Dolphins have lost by an average of 9 ppg, which averages out to 16. Factor in their defensive woes and an offense that doesn't have much beyond a running game and you have a recipe for a blowout.

The Dolphins were blown out at home by the Raiders 35-17 with Trent Green and Chambers They were also blown out by Dallas at home 37-20 with Brown only picking up 33 yards.
 
You can't select the Fins to cover because they have zero chance of winning. zero.

There is a below-zero chance too, I think.

It may be hot in Miami, but it's below zero for their chances to win.
 
The Pats have covered every spread this year and have won by at least 17 every game. To bet against the Pats would be moronic. Either bet Pats or don't bet. I don't care about the history down in Miami. The Dolphins have never had to deal with THIS offense.

THANK YOU for yet another smart post. Anyone needing to "see" the Patriots dominate Miami first because "flukey things happened in the past" should NEVER bet on the Patriots b/c they clearly have no idea how different this team is.
 
Let me put up a some food for thought

Yes the Pats have covered all season...

But has there ever been a point spread so high? Have we ever played a team witout our starter AND backup RB?

Let's also keep in mind that regardless of their performance in games one through 6, the Dolphins I believe are returning pretty much the same defense that has beat us in the recent past...

They are a wounded animal playing for pride - and we're wounded somewhat on offense as well

Consider also that if and when the Fins shake things up by putting in the untested Beck, for whom NO ONE has an accurate scouting report, its difficult to tell how the rest of the Fins offense might rally around him

No question that given a week to prepare for Beck that BB would have a field day confusing the kid, but BB's likely not preparing for 2 QBs - and if I were the Fins I'd try to shake things up with a QB change sooner rather than later.

Does any of this mean I think the Pats will lose? No of course not. Anything less than a 10 point victory would be shocking.

But covering 16.5 points? I'd think twice about that - indeed Las Vegas is thinking twice about that.

Here's the bottom line - the point spread is set where it is to ensure that AN EQUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE BET FOR AND AGAINST THE PATS TO COVER.

So while you're looking to the Patsfans board for advice from people who think with their hearts, the folks in Las Vegas and elsewhere who think with their wallets are SPLIT on whether the Pats will cover or not.

Just don't bet the house is all I'm saying.
 
Let me put up a some food for thought

Yes the Pats have covered all season...

But has there ever been a point spread so high? Have we ever played a team witout our starter AND backup RB?

Let's also keep in mind that regardless of their performance in games one through 6, the Dolphins I believe are returning pretty much the same defense that has beat us in the recent past...

They are a wounded animal playing for pride - and we're wounded somewhat on offense as well

Consider also that if and when the Fins shake things up by putting in the untested Beck, for whom NO ONE has an accurate scouting report, its difficult to tell how the rest of the Fins offense might rally around him

No question that given a week to prepare for Beck that BB would have a field day confusing the kid, but BB's likely not preparing for 2 QBs - and if I were the Fins I'd try to shake things up with a QB change sooner rather than later.

Does any of this mean I think the Pats will lose? No of course not. Anything less than a 10 point victory would be shocking.

But covering 16.5 points? I'd think twice about that - indeed Las Vegas is thinking twice about that.

Here's the bottom line - the point spread is set where it is to ensure that AN EQUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE BET FOR AND AGAINST THE PATS TO COVER.

So while you're looking to the Patsfans board for advice from people who think with their hearts, the folks in Las Vegas and elsewhere who think with their wallets are SPLIT on whether the Pats will cover or not.

Just don't bet the house is all I'm saying.


Where to begin?
Your description of how a line is set doesn't support either side.
You need to think twice about ANY bet because by definition the line is one that half of the people think favors the favorite and half think favors the dog.

I see no sense in the argument that a team will play better because they stink and are 0-6 therefore are 'wounded'. The opposite is usually true. When oyu are that bad, once you get behind you fold up because you lose any hope of coming back to win. The 'here we go again rule'.

I'm not sure where your good feelings about the Miami D come from. They may be the worst in the NFL, and it hardly matters how many of the players are the same ones that were there last year. They are horrendous.

Finally, you totally baffle me with the logic that a bettor taking the Pats should fear that Miami throws a rookie QB into the game, because there is no film on him. You don't need film on a rookie QB. You know all you need to know, he has no experience. You disguise, confuse, and pressure. It doesn't matter how much film you have on him. And by the way, if you don't think BB has studied all his college film, you don't know BB. I just don't get this idea that putting a QB who isn't ready to play in the league is a way to beat a team that is far superior to you. He will do what every other NFL QB does, but do it more confused, and less comfortable.
 
Where to begin?
Your description of how a line is set doesn't support either side.
You need to think twice about ANY bet because by definition the line is one that half of the people think favors the favorite and half think favors the dog.

I see no sense in the argument that a team will play better because they stink and are 0-6 therefore are 'wounded'. The opposite is usually true. When oyu are that bad, once you get behind you fold up because you lose any hope of coming back to win. The 'here we go again rule'.

I'm not sure where your good feelings about the Miami D come from. They may be the worst in the NFL, and it hardly matters how many of the players are the same ones that were there last year. They are horrendous.

Finally, you totally baffle me with the logic that a bettor taking the Pats should fear that Miami throws a rookie QB into the game, because there is no film on him. You don't need film on a rookie QB. You know all you need to know, he has no experience. You disguise, confuse, and pressure. It doesn't matter how much film you have on him. And by the way, if you don't think BB has studied all his college film, you don't know BB. I just don't get this idea that putting a QB who isn't ready to play in the league is a way to beat a team that is far superior to you. He will do what every other NFL QB does, but do it more confused, and less comfortable.

Yes - the perceptive among you will indeed notice that my description of how the line is set doesn't support either side.

It's purposefully placed exactly at the dividing line of where most bettors think it should be - with half going one way and half going the other.

So while most Patsfans will think with their heart and scoff at a platry 16.5 point line, half the bettors out there are picking the Pats to beat the spread and half are expecting them not to.

Everything else is academic, from whether an unknown QB can breath some life into an offense (would that REALLY be the first time that has happened in the NFL?) to whether the Dolphins defensive players can play at a level they have in the past - there's a reason why Las Vegas has picked a 16.5 pointspread - and it's because that's where they can count on dividing the bettors for and against as equally as possible so that the "House" doesn't lose. If the Pats don't cover will it be for the reasons I outlined above? Or completely different ones? Who knows... I'm just throwing out some reasons why half the betting public out there don't think the Pats will cover.

Now maybe those half of the bettors NOT picking the Pats to cover have their own reasons for thinking we won't win by nearly 3 touchdowns - but as far as the original poster's question - the opinion of those outside of New England is that it's an even call.

I don't think that can really be argued.
 
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At Sportsbook.com, 68% of the bettors have taken the Pats at -16.5
 
The Pats have covered every spread this year and have won by at least 17 every game. To bet against the Pats would be moronic. Either bet Pats or don't bet. I don't care about the history down in Miami. The Dolphins have never had to deal with THIS offense.

Nobody smart gives up 16.5 pts in the NFL on a bet.
 
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Yes - the perceptive among you will indeed notice that my description of how the line is set doesn't support either side.

It's purposefully placed exactly at the dividing line of where most bettors think it should be - with half going one way and half going the other.

So while most Patsfans will think with their heart and scoff at a platry 16.5 point line, half the bettors out there are picking the Pats to beat the spread and half are expecting them not to.

Everything else is academic, from whether an unknown QB can breath some life into an offense (would that REALLY be the first time that has happened in the NFL?) to whether the Dolphins defensive players can play at a level they have in the past - there's a reason why Las Vegas has picked a 16.5 pointspread - and it's because that's where they can count on dividing the bettors for and against as equally as possible so that the "House" doesn't lose. If the Pats don't cover will it be for the reasons I outlined above? Or completely different ones? Who knows... I'm just throwing out some reasons why half the betting public out there don't think the Pats will cover.

Now maybe those half of the bettors NOT picking the Pats to cover have their own reasons for thinking we won't win by nearly 3 touchdowns - but as far as the original poster's question - the opinion of those outside of New England is that it's an even call.

I don't think that can really be argued.

You came off initially as arguing the line supported betting on Miami. You are of course correct that the line is set by rule so that its a toss up argument. Half the people (well half the money at least) feels the Pats will cover and half feels they wont.

In this PARTICULAR case though, I think there is potential that it is skewed.

Whenever anything is highest or lowest there is a built in factor that tends to limit it back toward the middle.
When a line is 16.5, there certainly can be a dynamic where people look at that line and will take the points regardless of the matchup, (esp with road team favored) because they simply see it as too high of a line no matter how they feel about the teams.
In other words, teams covering 16.5 point spreads on the road is not a common occurence. That will tend to push money to the underdog side. (Sort of like bettors saying "I dont care who the teams are I cant give 16.5 on the road) But the historic levels of spreads has really nothing to do with this game. These 2 teams are however far apart they are. The line is saying its one of the biggest gaps you will see in an NFL game.
When you reach unusual territory the difference tends to be understated.

Just my opinion of course.
I do have one fact to support this though. I have won a lot with a betting strategy of OVER the HIGHEST over/under and UNDER the lowest OVER/UNDER.
In other words, when you are at extreme ends, perception tends to drift back toward the middle.

Betting on the NFL and winning requires 'knowing' more than the average knowledge of the combined betting public. IMO, the combined betting public is averse to giving any large # of points, so the line is probably set a little bit less than it would be without that factor.
Over the years, teams that win by blowouts, and have huge spreads (SF in the 80s and 90s, the Rams in the late 90s, the Colts of hte last few years, etc) have always done very well against the spread.

Quite frankly, I think Vegas could have this line at 20 and it would still split the betting evenly, however, it would probably also reduce the volume of bets on the game. Anyone betting on the Pats giving 16.5 is probably also taking them at 20. Anyone unwilling ot take Miami plus 16.5 probably wouldn't be pulled in at 20. However, that large of a spread would probably have more bettors just decide to look elsewhwere.
 
Nobody smart gives up 16.5 pts in the NFL on a bet.

The post above you says you think 68% of bettors are stupid.

The Pats have covered larger spreads already this year.
 
Nobody smart gives up 16.5 pts in the NFL on a bet.

Do you think someone smart would bet their money that Miami keeps it within 16?
They made need to score 24 points to do that.
 
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