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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Who is the best player in the NFL right now at their position as follows (with my picks) ..

    QUARTERBACK - My unbiased opinion is T. Brady

    RUNNING BACK - Right now is Ladanian Tomlinson,soon to be Frank Gore by 2009

    OFFENSIVE LINEMAN - Walter Jones

    TIGHT END - Antonio Gates

    WIDE RECEIVER - Marvin Harrison

    SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER - Devin Hester

    DEFENSIVE LINEMAN - Tommie Harris

    LINEBACKER - Brian Urlacher

    CORNERBACK - Champ Bailey

    SAFETY - Ed Reed

    Your selections?
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    Just wait until Frank Gore busts his ACL again. Third time's the charm!
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    I like the list, except I'd have a hard time leaving Jason Taylor off of it.
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    gore will not be better than LT. LT has much better hands and hes a better overall player
    top 3 in order
    QB -
    Brady
    Manning
    Palmer


    Looking in: Bulger


    RB -
    Tomlinson
    Jackson
    Gore

    Looking in: Portis

    WR -
    Smith
    Boldin
    Harrison

    Looking in: Chad Johnson

    FB -
    Neal
    Griffith
    Mughelli

    Looking in: Jeremi Johnson

    TE -
    Gates
    Witten
    Crumpler

    Looking in:Gonzalez

    OT -
    Walter Jones
    McNeil
    Jaamal Brown

    Looking in: Pace

    OG -
    Andrews
    Faneca
    Hutchinson

    Looking in: Steinbach


    C -
    Kreutz
    Birk
    Koppen

    Looking in:Gurode

    DE -
    Peppers
    Taylor
    Seymour

    Looking in: Suggs

    DT -
    Kevin Williams
    Harris
    Jamal Williams

    Looking in: Wilfork

    OLB -
    A. Thomas
    DJ Williams
    Ware

    Looking in: Merriman/Scott

    MLB -
    Urlacher
    Vilma(when in a 4-3)
    Thomas(zach)

    Looking in: Ray Lewis/Witherspoon


    CB -
    Bailey
    McAlister
    Samuel

    Looking in: Mathis/Newman

    FS -
    Reed
    Sanders
    Dawkins

    Looking in: Sean Taylor/Hamlin

    SS -
    Rhodes
    Adrian Wilson
    Polamalu

    Looking in: Sean Jones/Roy Williams

    K:
    Gould
    Rackers
    Vinatieri

    Looking in:Brown/Graham


    P: McBriar

    Returnman:
    Hester
    Miller
    Hall(still)

    Looking in: McGee/Parrish
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    While I haven't given all the players a lot of thought, I have to give the recent QB play of Manning ahead of Tom Brady. The knock on Manning was he couldn't play big in a big game and he couldn't beat a BB defense. Those weaknesses are history. Manning seems to have overcome his periodic horrible games whereas Tom Brady is having them more frequently. Two years ago it would have been Brady without hesitation. Right now, I have to give it to Manning.
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    He had statistically the worst postseason of any Superbowl-winning QB in history, and absolutely everything had to break right for him to do even that. I'm not even talking about just the horrid calls or the pneumonia. I'm talking about Ray Lewis tipping away two sure interceptions, the worst playoff gameplan I've ever seen (KC), Rex Grossman somehow "leading" a team to the Superbowl where he proceeded to crap the bed, as we all knew he would...everything broke his way. It was amazing to see.
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    Last Year Manning had as usual Harrison and Wayne all year - 2 of the best WR tandem in the NFL

    Brady has Gaffney a castoff and unwanted 3rd type WR Reche Caldwell to start and got to the same championship conference game as Indy and you say Manning is Better? :rolleyes:
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    Pretty sure Manning won that Conference Championship game, but I may be mistaken.

    I think Manning's better than Brady at this point, too.
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    I dont think there is any question that Manning is better than Brady. To say otherwise, is just pure 10000% homerism.

    I love the Pats... But com'on. Lets be real about it.
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    The only constant in Brady's career has been Troy Brown. Everone else has gone the way of the dinosaur.

    Peyton has had his supporting cast almost his entire career, and plays half the season in a dome.

    Each person brings something different to the table.
    I don't think one is better than the other. More like 1a and 1b.
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    QUARTERBACK - Manning. But we'll see what happens considering Harrison is getting older.

    RUNNING BACK - L.T. I can see Reggie Bush giving him competition in the years to come though.

    OFFENSIVE LINEMAN - Steve Hutchinson.

    TIGHT END - Antonio Gates

    WIDE RECEIVER - Anquan Boldin.

    SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER - Devin Hester.

    DEFENSIVE LINEMAN - Jason Taylor.

    LINEBACKER - Brian Urlacher. Shawne Merriman in a close second though.

    CORNERBACK - Champ Bailey.

    SAFETY - Troy Polamalu.
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    To even try and compare Manning and Brady is futile. These guys play in completely different worlds. Manning has had the same Pro Bowl guys for 5 years who make unreal TD catches and can pull in a fumble mid-air. Brady's top receiver last year couldn't haul in a wide-open ball to save his life.

    If anybody assumes Manning is over the 'big game' problem, what happens when he loses ANOTHER big game and Brady takes another Lombardi home? Or is Manning going to go undefeated in the playoffs from now on?
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    To compare Brady and Manning, you must remember to compare what happens from the time the huddle breaks to the time the ball is released. What happens after the ball is released, is out of his hands, so to speak. (As long as it isn't directed straight towards the defenders.)

    In other words, if you just look at numbers, Peyton is the guy. Although, with the exception of 1 year, Peyton's #'s aren't that much better.

    What they do with the ball in their hands is the only way to compare them as players.
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    Quarterback: Brady is 1a and Manning is 1b you cant go wrong with either one.

    RB: Lt no questions asked.

    WR: Marvin Harrison

    TE: Antonio Gates

    Oline- Orlando Pace

    O guard- Steve Hutchinson

    D line- Richard Seymour

    LB: Merriman, Urlacher

    CB: Bailey

    FS: Ed Reed

    SS: Kerry Rhodes.

    K: Adam V

    P: Scott Lechner.

    RET: Devin Hester

    STCOV: Larry Izzo.
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    I can't help but to laugh. I just read your post and I can't stop laughing right now. You have me cracking up. Its true though, everything did break his way. The KC game plan might be the worst game plan of all-time. They didnt even have a planB. Herm sucks. Just think about how bad the NFC is that a crappy QB like Grossman actually took his team to the superbowl to represent the NFC. What a joke. I'm still in little dis-belief about last seasons play offs.
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    Quarterback: Brady - yup im biased but mannings really gay...like superhero gay...

    RB: LT = without a doubt

    WR: OCHO CINCO!!!

    TE: Antonio Gates

    OL - Pace, Hutchinson

    D line- Jason Taylor,Julius Peppers 2nd but not as good...plus he can play a little Bball...

    LB: Urlacher...i hate to admit it but merriman is pretty good too

    CB: i think the consensus is baily and i cant really argue..

    Safeties: Ed Reed, Roy Williams (i have a man crush on ed reed)

    K: AV...no doubt in my mind...hate to say it now tho

    P: i honestly dont know punters well enough to guess

    ST: Dante Hall, Devin Hester (Hesters the best though)


    i used someone elses format so if it looks a little similar..its cuz i just copied someones post and changed the names to my liking..im lazy.
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    Manning may be the "better" QB, but I'd rather have an "inferior" QB with more Super Bowl rings.;)






    That being said, I think that Tom Brady is a better QB. He doesn't have the same weapons as Peyton Manning yet finds ways to make his offense function at a high level. . . .


    EDIT: IMO, Brian Urlacher is not the best LB in the game. We'll see how good he really is when he's not lined up next to Lance Briggs. Urlacher is terrrible taking on blockers, he plays with terrible leverage, and he's still looking for Tom Brady! I'd give Vilma a nod as one of the games best LB's.
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    I want to make the Brady/Manning comparison at the end of next season, Manning has had the same receiving corps for about 5 years now, the same offensive coordinator and they have been relatively injury free. Brady will go to mini camp with the same guys, and depth that should allow an early learning curve and much more consistency in our receiving corps. But bottom lines is that Brady, despite the shortcomings, has 3 rings and Manning has 1.
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    Most of yours are solid, except I'd take several WRs over this older version of Marvin Harrison. I'll go with Chad Johnson as the best.
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    Feel free to hate the Dolphins all you want, but you have to put Jason Taylor on that list.

    I also have noticed that no one thinks much of Zach Thomas. But answer me this, who was the all NFL team MLB? And who led the league in tackles (for the 6th time in his 10 year career.) I hate the lack of respect this guy gets. Urlacher and Lewis have nothing on Thomas.

    Lastly, I give the nod to Manning over Brady.
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    HAHA! Good stuff. Only at patsfans.
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    Manning may have won the big game. But if anything, I think these playoffs showed that he still does not play well in big games. Granted the 2nd half of the Pats game was impressive, and anyone who saw the SuperBowl knows that the Bears called a horrible defensive game. Overall, Mannings playoff performance was far below his standards. Taking that in to consideration, plus the talent surrounding them, plus the dome factor is why I think Brady is better. Call me a homer, I just honestly believe that Manning could not do as well with Brown, Pattern, Caldwell, Gaffney and A. Smith breaking out the huddle with him.
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    I tried explaining this to my friend who was a Colts fan, so my point is I agree.

    It seems if a team can create any sort of pressure or run anything somewhat confusing as far as a defensive scheme, it can rattle Manning. I don't know if it's the pressue, the elevated talent of the playoffs or whatever, but Manning isn't the same player when it really matters. (And like you said besides the 2nd half of that AFC Championship game.)
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    QB: Tom Brady
    RB: LaDainian Tomlinson
    FB: Lorenzo Neal
    WR: Andre Johnson
    OT: Jonathan Ogden
    TE: Antonio Gates
    DL: John Henderson
    LB: AD :)
    CB: Champ Bailey
    S: Kerry Rhodes/Adrian Wilson
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    IMO the Brady-Manning debate became neutralized once the Colts won the SB. You can't make an argument for/against one QB without doing the same to the other.

    IMO the Manning argument has been weakened since the Colts won the SB. It was always assumed that he was simply on a perpetually inferior team to Brady's Pats....well that didn't turn out to be the case did it? Now Manning supporters will have to try and explain why he only has 1 ring instead of 4 in a row....
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    No love at all for Jeff Saturday and the job he does with that line and all the play calling/audibles?



    I think that Chad is still way too inconsistant to take over the top spot in the league. Five of his seven TDs came in 2 back to back games, that leaves 2 TDs in 14 games. Hard to say that is the best in the league. I'm not saying that Marvin has to be the best, I'm just saying Chad is not there yet.
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    Seriously I can't make this stuff up. Here I have Exhibit A and B of the classic troll buster flip flop. It is ironic that his team is just as inconsistent in their play as aqua4ever04 is in his claims and post. Game. Set. Match.
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    I'd have Mankins in over Steinbach any day.
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    Playing Quarterback is about FAR more than that.

    I honestly get sick of this game's obbsession with statistics sometimes.

    Maybe it's because I grew up around sports that aren't as stat-saturated but being a great leader in sport (and a great QB SHOULD be a great leader) is about a million little things most of which will never show up on a stat sheet.
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    Strictly on who's best "right now" I gotta give it to Manning. Do I think that'll last? No, I think Brady will show us what he's made of this season. He is a great QB.

    We can only guess at the QB play out of context. The results show Manning is performing better right now. Brady hasn't been able to produce like he has in the past. Football is a team sport and it's tough to measure everything. I have seen some unrealistic QB from Manning last season. I have seen some uncharacteristic play from Brady.

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