Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by JSn, Mar 26, 2009.
What do you guys think?
Patriots to host Barwin on pre-draft visit - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com
Probably just to placate the masses at patsfans.com
I would expect the Patriots to be interested in his athleticism combined with excellent production in his one year at the position; I don't expect them to take him at #23 though. #34 - if he's still there - maybe.
I think their seriously interested, and so is KC. IMO The other teams that worked him out as a TE wouldn't draft him until later in the day.
I don't think they would use #23 on him,but would wait until 34/48. I think we pick 48th.
I'm sure it's legit interest. I've never bought into this smokescreen myth. You can bring in 30 guys, you're gonna bring in the ones you're interested, forget all this obfuscation nonsense. Besides, when the Pats are up, do you think they look at the teams in front of them and go "Quick! Someone pull out the report of the 30 guys the Eagles, Jaguars & Saints had in for a visit!" It's so much information that it loses any relevance.
Sometimes, it's just a cigar.
Barwin? Who's Barwin?
I'm not a big believer in smokescreens, esp. when there's a limit to players who can visit. Barwin fits the profile of a 3-4 OLB; the Pats want a few hours to talk to him about schemes. No biggie.
Can you identify the patsfans posters?
Why wouldn't it be legitimate? The Pats need OLB help and Barwin is one of the top 3-4 OLB prospects in the draft. He has versatility, athleticism, and strong intangibles. Why wouldn't they want to legitimately take a closer look at him?
Does it mean they are specifically targeting him? Of course not, not at this stage. I expect they will have several of Matthews, English, Ayers, Sintim, Brown and Maybin in for a visit as well. Last year Keith Rivers came as well as Jerod Mayo (I think Curtis Lofton came too). They need to spend time with these guys to get a better sense of how they fit, their understanding of their potential role in a 3-4 scheme, etc.
anyone who is bringing in players for a visit just as a smokescreen is wasting a valuable scouting resource.
plus, are you really going to fool someone like pioli or parcells into reaching for need?
Never mind Barwin, i want to know who is this Adam Seward dude.
I don't see smoke at all. I do believe that he is a serious candidate . However, I see him as a round 2 pick. If Pat's keep 34-this could be a good spot. He is talented - can be a player to bring into the system. I just don't want him at 23.
Smokescreens don't make sense picking at 23.
They do make sense when your first pick is at 7 (think about it--if you bring in 30 players, you're guaranteed to have 24 of them available at 7).
That's a good point. I think it's likely Bill has little time for masterminding a draft-day upset with and increased workload.
But something tells me we may not be picking at #23, on ONLY at #23.
I don't expect a blockbuster jump, but there may well be a jump by 5-6 spots come draft day. Sheesh, I can't hardly wait!
Of course, there's a middle ground between "this means they're serious" and "smokescreen." I assume that one of the purposes of individual workouts is to answer lingering questions about prospects.
I could not agree with these sentiments more.. He's the guy in the PG movie that everybody really hopes get's the girl at 23. At 34 he's the guy your really not too sure you like in the rated R movie.
Swingers man... You' re battin' the bunny, but you got these claws, and your'e battin' the bunny.
G= your hoping succeeds
R= you know is gonna hit it
Smokescreening does take place around draft time -- but isn't necessarily part of the pre-draft official visits. The visits are just one more phase of the overall evaluation process, and aren't a guarantee the player will be selected by the Pats. I believe we'll find that each visiting prospect either fits a need, and/or has Patriot-type qualities -- which is why they're invited.
So are you just gonna tease...or do you have someone in mind? opcorn:
The only thing I think is that Belichick and Pioli are nosing around the same draftee. To me that is ominous.
BB and Pioli have separate team needs -- not necessarily separate prospect profiles. I also wouldn't be surprised at all if they assist each other on draft day...perhaps trading positions...
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