Anyone Who Criticizes the Coaches is a Moron

[aluminum seats]

Given that the interception is a product of the play call, I'm not sure what point you think you're making here. The offense was moving the ball with direct strikes that were putting the Jets defense on its heels. Going with a play that relies on the Jets firing forward in such a situation is folly. It's essentially counting on a blitz when the offense was killing the regular defense and didn't need to worry about a blitz.

The point I AM making is that even if the play call was bad, the execution of the players on the field is what was far more damning to the Pats. Pretty simple, really.

 

[mb6592]

Where were the forced turnovers that would definitely continue in the playoffs?

Maybe the inexperience caught up to them?

The Patriots gave up 28 points to the Jets, the Jets held the Pats to 14 points, facts are facts.

I think for all the crap I took over the last month, I deserve an apology from you and a few others on here.

You absolutely do.

 

[mb6592]

They gave up 28 points...... thats doing their job as well as expected????

Dude, come on. Yes the offense is to blame as well, but dont just throw everything towards the offense. The offense scored late in the third making it a 1 score game, and then what happened? The defense didnt step up and get a stop, the allowed a TD making it a 2 score game again.

This COULD have been a defensive battle type of game but only one defense was up to that task.

 

[Deus Irae]

The point I AM making is that even if the play call was bad, the execution of the players on the field is what was far more damning to the Pats. Pretty simple, really.

Not simple at all, really. Your point excuses all play calling. That just doesn't hold water. Again, I've defended O'Brien for the 2 seasons he's been calling the plays but, yesterday, the poor play calling contributed directly to the poor execution. Taking a look at the screen pass that was picked is a perfect example of what I mean. Brady's not trying to lob the ball over the upfield defender if BOB doesn't brain lock and call for a screen pass there. Are you saying that the call was good and it's Vollmer's fault because Pace couldn't drive him backwards on a called screen?

Hell, one look at the play shows that the D-line was completely shut down, and that's the point about how stupid the play call was. At the point, the Jets were so inept defensively that they couldn't even get pressure on a screen pass.

NFL Game Center: New York Jets at New England Patriots - 2010 Divisional Playoffs

 

[mb6592]

The rest were short field scores set up because of the offensive failures.

And we shouldn't expect our better than average/among the better in the league/Top 10 defense to step up given short field situations?

 

[BradyFTW!]

The point I AM making is that even if the play call was bad, the execution of the players on the field is what was far more damning to the Pats. Pretty simple, really.

You can't separate playcalling and execution as easily as you're trying to. They executed poorly in situations that they never should have been put in in the first place, if not for lousy playcalling.

 

[D-Money]

This team needs a DE in the mold of a Richard Seymour and a pass rushing specialist.I dont think Jermaine Cunningham is that guy.I will give him next year to do something.

 

[mb6592]

I'm done with that whole thing, all I wanted was an apology and you didnt really give it. Fine. Moving on.

I apologize for them calling you a troll, Jets fan, clueless..... You should apologize for allowing yourself to be pulled down the rabbit hole. You first three posts were very benign but you let your words get twisted and the argument changed. Aussback was a smug f-ck in that thread and the least he can do is apologize because, at the bear minimum, your argument was debatable.

 

[mb6592]

Blame Belichick because he is the HC. We don't seem to learn. We've been losing bitterly since 2005 and i always feel such bitter loses would make us better the following year. IT DOESN'T.

Well, I think you nailed the true frustration with these losses. They are suppose to build character, aren't they? The are suppose to provide experience that can be leaned on in the future - isn't that the line?

 

[mb6592]

Regarding the defense, Sanchez has been garbage since about week 5, and he's been turning the ball over under pressure all year long.

That's exactly right. Those giving the defense a pass (in aussies case just so he won't have to eat crow) must not have watched the Jests games lately.

 

[mb6592]

It's the NFL.

You don't win every year.

Why are there posters that continue along this vein? Stop the strawman BS. For the last time - it wasn't a "Superbowl or bust" post season it was a "beat the Jests or bust" post season!

 

[upstater1]

Why are there posters that continue along this vein? Stop the strawman BS. For the last time - it wasn't a "Superbowl or bust" post season it was a "beat the Jests or bust" post season!

That's a loser mentality right there.

I can give two dumps about the Jets.

 

[D-Money]

Upstater always makes excuses for the team.The bottom line is that the team failed!!!Even with the Youth.

 

[ausbacker]

That's exactly right. Those giving the defense a pass (in aussies case just so he won't have to eat crow) must not have watched the Jests games lately.

I'm not giving them a pass mark. They performed the best out of the three units by and large keeping us in the game forcing 3 and outs all the while dealing with poor field position to defend.

The defense played exceptionally poorly for 1 drive on the weekend at an inopportune time. I was bitterly disappointed with that and have made that known. Outside of that their fault was that they didn't create a turnover. The rest was the failures were of special teams and the offense and you want to hang on the D?

The Patriots D gave us an opportunity to win yesterday. Tom Brady, the offense and some ridiculous coaching/scheming by Bill Belichick choked it away. 9 carries for Green- Ellis.. 9 and he was going at 4.8 ypc and the D kept the Jets to around 320 yards of net offense. That's just how bad a position the O put them in.

 

[mb6592]

That's a loser mentality right there.

I can give two dumps about the Jets.

Yeah, good luck with that setiment.

 

[andrewgarrr]

I'm not giving them a pass mark. They performed the best out of the three units by and large keeping us in the game forcing 3 and outs all the while dealing with poor field position to defend.

The defense played exceptionally poorly for 1 drive on the weekend at an inopportune time. I was bitterly disappointed with that and have made that known. Outside of that their fault was that they didn't create a turnover. The rest was the failures were of special teams and the offense and you want to hang on the D?

The Patriots D gave us an opportunity to win yesterday. Tom Brady, the offense and some ridiculous coaching/scheming by Bill Belichick choked it away. 9 carries for Green- Ellis.. 9 and he was going at 4.8 ypc.

Yep.

The offense should brunt more of the blame than the defense. The defense's only huge mistake was the 58 yard pass to Cotchery (I think Mayo missed his assignment here and five other players couldn't get him to the ground).

The offense and ST put the defense into many difficult situations. Terrible kick off coverage and terrible kick offs. Dropped snap by Chung and the INT. Too many three and outs.

BB always preaches complimentary football and never has it been more obvious why this is important.

 

[The Dynasty]

I'm not giving them a pass mark. They performed the best out of the three units by and large keeping us in the game forcing 3 and outs all the while dealing with poor field position to defend.

The defense played exceptionally poorly for 1 drive on the weekend at an inopportune time. I was bitterly disappointed with that and have made that known. Outside of that their fault was that they didn't create a turnover. The rest was the failures were of special teams and the offense and you want to hang on the D?

The Patriots D gave us an opportunity to win yesterday. Tom Brady, the offense and some ridiculous coaching/scheming by Bill Belichick choked it away. 9 carries for Green- Ellis.. 9 and he was going at 4.8 ypc and the D kept the Jets to around 320 yards of net offense. That's just how bad a position the O put them in.

Well this was the problem that I saw coming and why I didnt really believe the Patriots would win the Super Bowl. It was clear all year long that the defense was very dependent on the offense getting them a double digit lead and they could play much more relaxed. Also, they depended on turnovers and I believed that they would not be able to force them in the postseason because #1 the QBs are best in the league and usually dont turn the ball over (proven wrong this weekend), but also because of the Patriots lack of playoff experience. This was the case, the offense struggled and the Patriots fell behind forcing the defense to come up with big stops, and when it mattered most the defense failed. Also, the Patriots didnt force any turnovers, credit Sanchez and the Jets.

While the offense struggled, championship caliber teams have units that can bail the others out when they struggle. This is where the Patriots failed this year, their defense was not good enough to win a championship. It was good, but not good enough. The offense bailed the defense out in a few games this year, but the defense really has never bailed out the offense. The defense had their chance to prove themselves yesterday and they could not do it.

 

[ausbacker]

Well this was the problem that I saw coming and why I didnt really believe the Patriots would win the Super Bowl. It was clear all year long that the defense was very dependent on the offense getting them a double digit lead and they could play much more relaxed. Also, they depended on turnovers and I believed that they would not be able to force them in the postseason because #1 the QBs are best in the league and usually dont turn the ball over (proven wrong this weekend), but also because of the Patriots lack of playoff experience. This was the case, the offense struggled and the Patriots fell behind forcing the defense to come up with big stops, and when it mattered most the defense failed. Also, the Patriots didnt force any turnovers, credit Sanchez and the Jets.

While the offense struggled, championship caliber teams have units that can bail the others out when they struggle. This is where the Patriots failed this year, their defense was not good enough to win a championship. It was good, but not good enough. The offense bailed the defense out in a few games this year, but the defense really has never bailed out the offense. The defense had their chance to prove themselves yesterday and they could not do it.

The defense kept the Patriots in the game for over three quarters as the offense stuttered, failed and shot themselves in the foot. One drive killed them at an inopportune time. I agree it was disappointing but yesterday's result was hardly their fault given their position.

You seem incapable of accepting that even though it's been explained to you by multiple posters time and time again. I look forward to this being repeated and circle work beginning given your normal mode of postings.

 

[The Dynasty]

The defense kept the Patriots in the game for over three quarters as the offense stuttered, failed and shot themselves in the foot. One drive killed them at an inopportune time. I agree it was disappointing but yesterday's result was hardly their fault given their position.

You seem incapable of accepting that even though it's been explained to you by multiple posters time and time again. I look forward to this being repeated and circle work beginning given your normal mode of postings.

There is a difference between keeping the team in the game, and winning the game. That is the level that the Patriots defense needs to get to so they can be considered an elite championship caliber defense.

I told you time and time again how dependent the defense is on the offense and you and no one believed me. It showed yesterday.

 

[RHbT76]

Take a look at the jets key drives:

2nd quarter:

Starting on our 12 after the interception the D holds them to a FG attempt which was missed.

After losing 9 yards on a sack we punt from our endzone and give the Jets the ball on their 47 resulting in a TD drive.

Chung's fake punt fiasco gives the Jets the ball on our 37. Another TD.

4th quarter:

Jets start on their 27 and move the ball easily thanks to what looks like a missed assignment on Crotchery resulting in a 58 yard gain. TD here.

Jets start on our 20 yard line after the Cromartie recovers the first onsides kick, resulting in the final Jets TD.


On almost all those drives the Jets had amazing field position because of terrible decisions by the Patriots before the defense even stepped on the field.

In between those scoring drives the defense forced the Jets to punt 6 times.