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Just a little grist for the mill on a cold January Monday!
What do these players have in common? Mike Wright, Pierre Woods, Gary Guyton. Well, they're all Pats UDFAs who have done well on the field -- often better than players the Pats spent draft picks on around the same time. They all play in the defensive front 7. And...they all had fabulous pre-draft measurables.
I'm going to pair the numbers for those 3 players with players at the same position whom the Pats drafted on day 2 closest to them. I've only used those numbers that are available for all players at the position; combine numbers when possible, otherwise pro day.
A. Mike Wright, B. LeKevin Smith, C. Kareem Brown
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ
A. 6'4" 295 4.81 35 10'0"
B. 6'3" 316 4.97 30.5 9'1"
C. 6'4" 290 5.32 28 8'5"
A. Pierre Woods, B. Justin Rogers, C. Jeremy Mincey
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
A. 6'4" 249 4.75 33 9'11" 4.19 6.87
B. 6'3" 252 4.76 34 9'9" 4.28 7.32
C. 6'3" 259 4.76 33.5 9'08" 4.25 7.01
A. Gary Guyton, B. Bo Ruud, C. Oscar Lua
Height Weight 40 10 Bench VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
A. 6'2" 245 4.47 1.46 15 36.5 10'6" 4.42 7.07
B. 6'4" 234 4.60 1.53 18 32.5 9'10" 4.71 7.30
C. 6'1" 236 4.81 1.63 22 33.0 9'6" 4.43 7.22
Yes, it's post-hoc cherry picking of UDFAs. But that's the whole idea -- trying to find patters in what worked. I'll throw in another UDFA who's still very much a work in progress but looks promising, Vince Redd:
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
6'5" 263 4.56 39 9'10" N/A 7.30
Those are Vernon Gholston-type numbers.
So time to over-reach with a conclusion! In the front 7, you have your day-one guys who combine college production, experience and knowledge with prototype measurables. Day two, everybody has major question marks. You have to compromise on something. But given the above, maybe the last thing to compromise on is measurables?
What do these players have in common? Mike Wright, Pierre Woods, Gary Guyton. Well, they're all Pats UDFAs who have done well on the field -- often better than players the Pats spent draft picks on around the same time. They all play in the defensive front 7. And...they all had fabulous pre-draft measurables.
I'm going to pair the numbers for those 3 players with players at the same position whom the Pats drafted on day 2 closest to them. I've only used those numbers that are available for all players at the position; combine numbers when possible, otherwise pro day.
A. Mike Wright, B. LeKevin Smith, C. Kareem Brown
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ
A. 6'4" 295 4.81 35 10'0"
B. 6'3" 316 4.97 30.5 9'1"
C. 6'4" 290 5.32 28 8'5"
A. Pierre Woods, B. Justin Rogers, C. Jeremy Mincey
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
A. 6'4" 249 4.75 33 9'11" 4.19 6.87
B. 6'3" 252 4.76 34 9'9" 4.28 7.32
C. 6'3" 259 4.76 33.5 9'08" 4.25 7.01
A. Gary Guyton, B. Bo Ruud, C. Oscar Lua
Height Weight 40 10 Bench VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
A. 6'2" 245 4.47 1.46 15 36.5 10'6" 4.42 7.07
B. 6'4" 234 4.60 1.53 18 32.5 9'10" 4.71 7.30
C. 6'1" 236 4.81 1.63 22 33.0 9'6" 4.43 7.22
Yes, it's post-hoc cherry picking of UDFAs. But that's the whole idea -- trying to find patters in what worked. I'll throw in another UDFA who's still very much a work in progress but looks promising, Vince Redd:
Height Weight 40 VJ BJ Shuttle Cone
6'5" 263 4.56 39 9'10" N/A 7.30
Those are Vernon Gholston-type numbers.
So time to over-reach with a conclusion! In the front 7, you have your day-one guys who combine college production, experience and knowledge with prototype measurables. Day two, everybody has major question marks. You have to compromise on something. But given the above, maybe the last thing to compromise on is measurables?