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    Yesterday https://www.nflplayers.com/cap showed Pats with 5,601,144 in cap space. Today - 4,415,044 - a change of 1,186,100

    1,186,100 happens to be around 40% of the total amount that Aaron Hernandez filed a grievance about.

    82,000 - 2013 offseason workout bonus
    1,323,000 - 2013 salary
    1,137,000 - 2014 salary
    500,000 2014 offseason workout bonus

    From the CBA

    When a player salary grievance is filed against a Club, 40%
    of the amount claimed (or, for a player whose contract qualifies under Article 27, 40% of the player'S Salary Cap count, prorated to reflect the number of weeks remaining in the regular season) will be counted in Team Salary until the grievance is resolved or until the end of the League Year, whichever comes firsT
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    There is no justice in the world if that subhuman gets another penny out of the Patriots.
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    Any chance his cap hit ever is cleared?
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    Glad that the Pats left a bit of cap space available, to deal with injuries (e.g., adding Sopoaga) or unforeseen situations such as this.

    If Hernandez wins the grievance before the year is out then that is another $2,965,250 hit to the cap; that would leave the Patriots with just $1,449,794 of cap space for the 2013 season. That's next to nothing to work with in terms of potentially signing another veteran player.
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    With Roger Goodell anything is possible.

    If it is shown that Aaron Hernandez was involved in the July 2012 murders, there is a chance that the Patriots would get a credit for the entire $12 million signing bonus.
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    So if I understand you correctly, the more murders he is convicted of the more cap we get back? Hope these guys keep digging, wouldn't be surprised if he's the one who killed MJ as well as the second shooter.
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    It isn't the number of murders, it's the fact that the 2012 murders came before he signed the new deal with the Patriots, and if convicted of those murders it could very well nullify his entire bonus.
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    Sadly, a conviction would be a long time (years) coming. Best hope from a cap deal would be a guilty plea, but chances are close to zero as even the lenient Commonwealth of MA DAs would have a hard time giving less than life for 3 murders. Were the death penalty on the line, a plea would be quite possible, but it isn't.
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    They could offer him a chance at parole.

    Also, as far as the cap goes, they could get a credit in later years. For example, the Pats are getting a credit for the portion of Jonathan Fanene's signing bonus that was never paid. The credit is either this year or next year, while the actual payment was last year.
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    speaking of hit, what are the chances someone can get him waxed in prison?
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    Yep, it's going to be a while, and the 2012 murders are going to be really hard to prove as i am guessing that the only person who can ID Hernandez as the shooter is no longer with us.
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    Likely so.

    However I've read that the guy who tried to sue The Prisoner for the gunshot incident in FL was rumored as another possible witness to the drive by shooting murder. Probably not so, but who knows?
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    Miguel, can you please educate those of us not well versed in the CBA or the cap the future affects of "The Prisoners" contract? How will his contract affect the Pats going forward in terms of cap space and dead money, assuming the worst case scenario that the Pats can't nullify the contract?

    Thanks
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    I heard something about that as well but didn't think he was actually in the SUV. I also heard there was a survivor but I don't think he was able to ID Hernandez as the shooter. I'm guessing Lloyd was the only one who could actually finger Hernadez as the shooter and Hernadez already dealt with that issue. Either way the end result is going to be the same when all is said and done and Hernandez will almost certainly spend the rest of his life behind bars. Couldn't happen to a better guy.
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    Great term for he who is not named.
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    I know that I am going to be in the vast minority on this, but I see it as two entirely different issues: one is a contract, and the other is what The Prisoner did on his own time.

    The Patriots had a contract with The Prisoner, certain parts of which he was guaranteed to be paid for and certain parts for which he fulfilled the contract (e.g., workout bonuses). As detestable as it may be, it seems to me that contract law would be on The Prisoner's side for that portion of the contract.

    The heinous acts he committed are a separate issue. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't understand the legal grounds for using that to get out of not fulfilling your portion of a contract or for not having to pay for services rendered.
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    Adding that to my lexicon of Hernandez nicknames I've seen on this sight. So far I have:
    - Scumbag
    - APerp
    - The World's Dumbest Criminal
    - Tuco Salemanca
    - The Psycho
    - The Dark One
    - He Who Must Not Be Named
    - Voldemort
    - The Fallen One.
    - The Prisoner
    Feel free to help me make amendments to this list! :p
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    I guess the counter argument to that would be that he entered into a contract that he knew he would not be able to fulfill if he were caught for the murders he committed. Although in his case he probably thought he would still be allowed to play but might have to do some community service when he wasn't busy. And i can understand that as that is how Urban would have handled the matter.
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    I think it was irresponsible of the Pats org not to have some criminal activity clause that abrogated the contract assuming the CBA allowed this which I believe it did.
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    I agree but if i am the Patriots I still go after him as hard as they can on the grounds that he signed a contract he knew he would not be able to fulfill, and i can't see a jury or a judge concluding that he knew he wouldn't get caught.

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