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Yeah that LB corps is really home grown. Seau, Vrabel, Thomas, Colvin.

Oh, I love the drafting of Welker, (wait that wasn't NE)
What round did they get Moss in? (Oh sorry Minnesota drafted him)
Stallworth? (Ah you got the point)

I guess losing to Indy really p----d Kraft and Pioli off. By the way, now that you signed Moss, is Christian Peter far away?


You should take a look at your own team - according to the official colts site - Indy has 21 Free agents currently on the active roster - almost 40% of your team. Two of those 21 are Brackett and Boiman - your starting LB in the last two games - both losses.

New England lists only 17 - nice try though.

Go F*CK YOURSELF HAYSEED!
 
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Free Agency is a means of building a team. If you could afford them, you would be signing them.Not true
You just signed Simeon Rice I guess. Last year you signed Booger McFarland. Unfortunatley this year you have a bunch of unwanted rookies what?? We had an AWESOME draft. Are you the one who keeps saying we have "x" number of players who have never seen the field?? Sessions got a REAL NICE peek last night, eh??because you couldn't afford FAs because your team was built ot overpay overrated guys like Freeney.Well that hurts

I cannot believe that you are trying to take a moral victory out of whether or not you sign free agents to pile on your morla victories on th efield the last 2 weeks.


Yeah, to me, who cares how you build your team. Selecting guys in the draft, or fitting misfits or stars into your squad, either one takes skill.
 
Yeah that LB corps is really home grown. Seau, Vrabel, Thomas, Colvin.

Oh, I love the drafting of Welker, (wait that wasn't NE)
What round did they get Moss in? (Oh sorry Minnesota drafted him)
Stallworth? (Ah you got the point)

I guess losing to Indy really p----d Kraft and Pioli off. By the way, now that you signed Moss, is Christian Peter far away?

Again, what the f--- is your point? A team is less because their players came from one means or another?
You are correct, losing to Indy after owning them for so long did plss off the Pats. I'm glad it did, because they went out and now own the Colts again.
Clearly losing to the Pats couldn't have plssed Indy off too much, since their response was to lose to a team that played terrible football the following week.
 
As an aside, in hindsight, because the Colts were having success moving the football, a safety in the end zone(out the back) might have actually worked out better (I understand, never turn down the points, BUT...). There's our taylor made 2 pt. conversion, we are sitting on 17, PLUS, we get the ball back. Even a booming 55+ yarder probably gets us to the 35-40 yard line. Might have set up better, although not sure what more you can ask for than to set yourself up for a potential game winner. So, just let me recap. Yeah, he "only" scored 7 in the second half. Drive one ended in a pick, drive 2, TD, drive 3, flips the field, starting from his own 1, drive 4, just needed a chipshot. Had they been down 4, obviously, they would have played the end differently. So, easy to say "only one TD" when you look at it out of context.

I'll be the first to admit, he stunk it up, bad throws, poor decisions, pretty woeful. But he was able to set it aside, and give the team a chance to win.


Come on. One TD in 4 drives when you are behind 17 points isnt something to brag about. Manning didn't put you in a position to win, the Chargers almost handing the game back did.
 
Yeah that LB corps is really home grown. Seau, Vrabel, Thomas, Colvin.

Oh, I love the drafting of Welker, (wait that wasn't NE)
What round did they get Moss in? (Oh sorry Minnesota drafted him)
Stallworth? (Ah you got the point)

I guess losing to Indy really p----d Kraft and Pioli off. By the way, now that you signed Moss, is Christian Peter far away?

Defense

Seymour- drafted
Wilfork- drafted
Warren- drafted
Vrabel- FA
Bruschi- drafted
Thomas- FA
Colvin- FA
Samuel- drafted
Harrison- FA
Sanders- drafted
Hobbs- drafted

Offense

Light- drafted
Mankins- drafted
Koppen- drafted
Neal- UDFA
Kaczur- drafted
Brady- drafted
Watson- drafted
Maroney- drafted
Moss- trade
Welker- trade
Stallworth- FA

ST specialists

Gostkowski- drafted
Paxton- UDFA
Hanson- FA

That's 6/25, or 24% of starters that are not homegrown.

Anything else?
 
It's like the talking heads have been hypnotized by some alien spin doctor hired by the Colts to orbit the earth from September to January. Even hard butts like Ditka and Parcells were whining for Manning tonight, ugh.

here's how the line should go - "If Manning had not played so poorly last night he would have given his team a BETTER chance to win than trying to hustle down for a last minute field goal (Manning, it must be noted, also could not put it in the end zone on this last drive when he really needed to)."

MVP of the game for the Colts - Norv Turner, who heroically refused to run the ball from inside his own 10yd line despite having the best tandem of RB's in the entire NFL. This excellent performance includes other refusals to hand off to LT or Turner all through the second half, despite the whole wide world knowing running was the best thing to do. Norv Turner stands alone as having the courage to prove he is smarter than everyone else. Congratulations, Norv.
 
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Patriot-ic Talking Points

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4. While other might like the "bad guy" image this season is creating, I DON'T.
I want to fight back...in a proper PR way. I want start a campaign to make the Colts look like the evil empire that they are. Here are a few sounding points that need to be spread.

a. Compare the Owners. One owner is from a family that under the cover of darkness STOLE a beloved franchise from a city that supported the family, JUST BECAUSE the city wouldn't pay for a free stadium.

The other owner SAVED a franchise, built a privately financed stadium, promotes good deeds to the exent that they make charitible good works a part of every contract they sign.

b. One is lead by a HC who is the poster child for intolerance, even though he is a minority himself. A man who lets his own religious beliefs dictate what he think OTHERS should believe.

The other team is lead by a HC who UNDER THE RADAR has done more work in the black community than the "black" HC he is compared to.

c. One team is led by a HC who has complained openly about the refs, the injuries, and is an excuse maker

The other team is lead by a guy who has NEVER made an excuse, and is the first to blame HIMSELF when things go wrong.

d. One team has a GM who is a psychotic bully, who tries to constantly intimidate the league into creating unfair advantages for his team.

The other team has a GM who would be everyone's first choice to be Santa at Christmas. A guy who has proven to be on of the top GMs in the league, yet his happy to be in the background and not out front.

e. On the field one team is led by a QB who despite all the talent he's had to play with, only managed to win it all ONCE, and that took the best half of football in his career, along with playing a decimated team. Beyond that he's best known for great personal stats and losing every big game he'd ever been in from college to the pros.

The other team is led by a guy who didn't have the pedigree. Didn't have all the natural talent, and Didn't have any of the notiriety that Manning had. He literally willed and worked himself into the position he now occupies. That of the only 3 time Superbowl winner before he was 30. He has been know since college for WINNING most of his BIG games than losing them.

f. One QB whines on and off the field. Throws his fellow players under the bus whenever things go wrong. He blames them, injuries and the refs for all his failings....and never himself.

The other NEVER does that...even when he could. Even now you could never get Tom Brady to say a negative thing about guys likr Givens, Branch, Caldwell, Gabriel, etc, even when they AREN'T teammates any longer

g. One guy has PROVEN now that when he's presented with LESS than stellar components to play with, his personal play suffers.

The other has PROVEN that he makes everyone else around him better. NO one who has played with him on the offensive side of the ball has gone on to play even close to the same level elsewhere. He makes average players look good, and good players look great....AND now that he has a truely great player to work with, he is making HIM look HISTORIC.


BOTTOM LINE - who are the good guys here, and it is our duty to let the rest of the country know what WE know. This is a great team and organization. The players who play here opitimize TEAMWORK and SELFLESSNESS. They respect their opponents. They say the right things. They act the right way. And while it may be dull to the media, it IS the real AMERICAN way. At least the American way BEFORE we became a nation of self indulgent, self absorbed, selfish, "its all about me and what I can get" nation that plays to the lowest common denominator in all of us.

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PFKen for President!

Well, yeah, that may be a reach.
PFKen for presidential speech writer then !
 
Come on. One TD in 4 drives when you are behind 17 points isnt something to brag about. Manning didn't put you in a position to win, the Chargers almost handing the game back did.

*Down 16 at half.
*TD throw to Wayne in first doesn't count?
*FG position at end of half doesn't count?
*YES, first possession(of 2nd half), PICK
*Second, TD
*Third? Started at the 1 yard line. What would have been "unheroic" would have been to go three and out, and give SD another short field. KUDOS to Manning for NOT pressing and taking ill-advised chances (like he FAILED TO do earlier) once we were in SD territory. He at least played the field position game, and started to trust that:a.) Rivers sucks b.) Norv sucks c.) it was raining d.) his defense is pretty good. So, even though he didn't get the TD, he didn't need it, and he didn't screw up by throwing another pick (theycome in bunches, eh? Game starts with a ST's TD, and back to back picks by Manning, once that happened, I sat back and knew I might be watching a rerun of the "Tony Romo Show".
*Fourth, didn't need a TD. I would have preferred they be slightly more aggressive once they got close, but a first down essentially leaves us to kick from the 5 with 3 seconds left.

I don't understand your arguement. Do you think PM should have gone for the end zone on that 4th drive?? if so, your credibility is shot. You are dis****ing the obstacles. Please, name me a QB that has thrown 5-6 picks in a game, been behind by 23 points or more, was playing on the road in a steady rain on a slick field (Addai=wrong cleats??), yet threw for 325+ yards and two td's, and was a chipshot from possible victory. All this while having 17 available Offensive starters, missing his LT protector, his #1 WR, and #1TE. Excuses? NO, but these items listed are why some are terming it "heroic". What's your problem with that?? Did Bollinger do that?
 
It's like the talking heads have been hypnotized by some alien spin doctor hired by the Colts to orbit the earth from September to January. Even hard butts like Ditka and Parcells were whining for Manning tonight, ugh.

here's how the line should go - "If Manning had not played so poorly last night he would have given his team a BETTER chance to win than trying to hustle down for a last minute field goal (Manning, it must be noted, also could not put it in the end zone on this last drive when he really needed to)."

MVP of the game for the Colts - Norv Turner, who heroically refused to run the ball from inside his own 10yd line despite having the best tandem of RB's in the entire NFL. This excellent performance includes other refusals to hand off to LT or Turner all through the second half, despite the whole wide world knowing running was the best thing to do. Norv Turner stands alone as having the courage to prove he is smarter than everyone else. Congratulations, Norv.


Explain why he needed six when his team was down 2??
 
Yeah that LB corps is really home grown. Seau (was called out of retirement for relatively cheap money - any team could have made a similar offer; Maybe teams did, but he didn't want to play for them), Vrabel (was unwanted in Pittsburgh for whatever reason), Thomas (turned down bigger money in SF to play for a winner in NE), Colvin (turned down bigger money in AZ to play for a winner in NE).

Oh, I love the drafting of Welker, (wait that wasn't NE) (Maybe your best point, for a 2nd and 7th round pick for him wasn't universally lauded at the time, but in hindsight has turned out pretty damn good)
What round did they get Moss in? (Oh sorry Minnesota drafted him) (With his no trade clause, Moss had to agree to be traded to NE. Moss agreed to take a monster paycut. The Raiders had to agree to a 4th round pick)
Stallworth? (Ah you got the point) (Upon meeting with NE, Stallworth told his agent "Get something done HERE!" His agent set up a very cap-friendly 1st year contract with an expensive option. The Pats can always decline the option or renegotiate it)

I guess losing to Indy really p----d Kraft and Pioli off. By the way, now that you signed Moss, is Christian Peter far away?
Are the Pats supposed to turn away FAs like Seau and Vrabel that weren't particularly sought after? Are they supposed to look the other way from big-name FAs like Thomas and Colvin who are willing to leave higher offers on the table in order to play for the Pats? Are they supposed to turn away Stallworth who ended the bidding process with other teams and told his agent to get something done, something very cap-favorable to the Pats? Are the Pats not supposed to pursue an all-time talent like Moss who is willing to okay a trade to NE, take a huge paycut and have his old team willing to accept a 4th round pick to make the deal happen?

It's not like the Pats have entered Redskins-style bidding wars on every FA available, big name or not. It's not like the Pats have traded away a goldmine of talent and/or picks to better the team. It's not their fault that studs want to play for them and will give a discount to do so.

Regards,
Chris
 
Did anyone catch Sportscenter last night?

One of the anchors said something about how the Patriots always complain, whether it is about Shula, calls in the Colts game, crowd noise.

He then asked if there was anything they are going to complain about this week, while segwaying into a sunday conversation with Richard Seymour.
 
Again, what the f--- is your point? A team is less because their players came from one means or another?
You are correct, losing to Indy after owning them for so long did plss off the Pats. I'm glad it did, because they went out and now own the Colts again.
Clearly losing to the Pats couldn't have plssed Indy off too much, since their response was to lose to a team that played terrible football the following week.

I agree, AJ. This whole "home grown" thing is stupid in a hard cap environment. You build however you can get value. It's not like baseball where a team can essentially buy a much higher probability of playoffs.

I might disagree with you about "went out" depending on what you mean.

I know there's a conventional wisdom that says that BB shortchanged the WRs last year, saw the errors of his ways in the offseason, and went whole hog to compensate. I think this is wrong on both ends, and just as wrong as the idea that BB got AT for the Colts.

1. Had Deion Branch honored his contract and had the Pats gotten Jevon Walker, we would have had a very nice WR corps.

2. Does anyone really think that BB/Pioli would not have been interested in Welker, Stallworth, and Moss if the Pats had won the SB last year? They won in 2003 and spent a #2 on Dillon for 2004.
 
Did anyone catch Sportscenter last night?

One of the anchors said something about how the Patriots always complain, whether it is about Shula, calls in the Colts game, crowd noise.

He then asked if there was anything they are going to complain about this week, while segwaying into a sunday conversation with Richard Seymour.

The fans might complain about all three, but when did the Pats re Shula or bad calls?
 
A good team is a good team is a good team. It says a lot that FA's want to stay for less or that the Pats can turn nobodies into somebodies...Football isn't all about the draft. Unlike baseball there is a limit what you can spend, so the biggest spender doesn't always win.
 
I think part of this is Dungy is media friendly and BB isn't and doesn't try to be. But if/when the Patriots win the SB this year, do we really care?
 
It implies that after throwing 6 Ints he would be expected to just quit and not keep playing the game.

Well, after the 6th interception, he did quit and go home. :rocker:
 
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