Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx3]

Bobs My Uncle · Sep 10, 2007

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BadMoFo said:
I can't imagine that we would be the only team to do this type of thing, but it does make us look like cheaters ... if it's true.

Happens all the time, in all sports.

It's the "obviousness" part of this assertion that is most interesting to me. I wouldn't put it past BB to have that guy shoot the Jets sideline with no film (or memory card) in the camera just to get on Mangini's nerves.

stinkypete · Sep 10, 2007

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Man, your Jets suck, just deal with it.

letekro · Sep 10, 2007

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Good thing we have extra picks!

Tunescribe · Sep 10, 2007

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UglyPatriots said:
"Though no disciplinary action by the league ever resulted, the Patriots last year were reportedly the impetus of a sternly written letter from the league office to all teams, reminding them that it was illegal for an advance scout or personnel official to bring a video recording device of any kind into the press box for the purposes of taping a potential opponent's signals or play-calling gestures from the sideline."

So, it must be OK then to film from a luxury suite, the scoreboard, top of the stadium, a secret hole in the wall, etc. ...

BelichickFan · Sep 10, 2007

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Bobs My Uncle said:
It's the "obviousness" part of this assertion that is most interesting to me.

Especially that it was the same guy as was accused in GB. If they'd been caught - and were going to do it again - you'd think they'd at least use someone else

BadMoFo · Sep 10, 2007

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PFT's take on the situation:

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POSTED 4:08 p.m. EDT, September 10, 2007

NEW ENGLAND SPY SCANDAL GATHERS MOMENTUM

On Sunday, Dan Leberfeld of Scout.com reported on suspicions that an employee of the New England Patriots had been stealing signals from the Jets' sideline. The notion that the person would venture onto the New York sideline to obtain images of the signals made no sense to us.

Now, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that NFL security confiscated a video camera and a videotape from a Patriots' employee who was on the Patriots' sideline.

Per Mortensen, the camera and the tape were placed into a sealed box and shipped to the league office for further review.

Mort's version makes a lot more sense -- if someone is going to record signals, it's not going to happen on the opposing team's sideline. The images will be shot from the safety of the sideline of the team for which the person with the camera works.

In 2006, the Patriots reportedly caused a "sternly written letter" regarding the videotaping of signals and/or play-calling gestures. Also, Mortensen mentions that a similar incident occurred last year, when the Patriots played at Lambeau field.

Since quarterbacks have radios in their helmets, the only signals to be stolen would relate to calls made on defense.

Stuff like this usually gets brushed under the rug, due in part (in our opinion) to the reluctance of the league office to air dirty laundry. If, however, the tape in that camera shows that the person using it was making like Brodie at Deathblow, the league might have no choice but to take action.

Especially in a climate where Commissioner Roger Goodell is smacking down players who misbehave.

SVN · Sep 10, 2007

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BadMoFo said:
PFT's take on the situation:

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couldnt this be filming for those patriots all access shows etc ?

The-Beast · Sep 10, 2007

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Tunescribe said:
So, it must be OK then to film from a luxury suite, the scoreboard, top of the stadium, a secret hole in the wall, etc. ...

Not really, I'm pretty sure all stadiums have the same no video policy.

How this differs from what the dolphins did to you I think would be something to the effect of not getting a sound amplifier pointing it at Brady and recording the cadence. Using a network broadcast feed, where it doesn't hone in on a certain area of the game, just a little bit different in my opinion if proven to be the case.

MoLewisrocks · Sep 10, 2007

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Oh grow up. And work on getting more than one friend...

Every team in the league does this and the only reason a handful of teams have tried to make a big deal out of it in our case is because of jealousy. Miami bought a tape of Tom Brady's audible calls before our game with them last year. The JETS knew this guy was there taping. It obviously didn't start to bother them until they were getting manhandled, and it had nothing to do with coaches signals - it was mismatched talent. Anyone who wasn't delusional knew this wasn't going to be close. But that organization and its fans and refuse to own their own shortcomings.

Bobs My Uncle · Sep 10, 2007

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BelichickFan said:
Especially that it was the same guy as was accused in GB. If they'd been caught - and were going to do it again - you'd think they'd at least use someone else

or something else ..... like maybe that cool satelite imaging technology that let's you zoom into about 1 cm on the ground from the earth's orbit

Crazyeechrispats1 · Sep 10, 2007

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Hey mo no need for that bro were all on the same side here telling me to grow up cause i wanted to report on what i heard on tv
I don"t live around any patriot fans so any propaganda crap they hear they eat up and use on me just venting my frustration with fellow pats fans ok buddy?

cblesz · Sep 10, 2007

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Am I missing something? Why would we freaking tape the signals if we were stealing them for this game? Did the guy videotaping them quickly hit rewind and relay them in? It just doesn't make sense. If you were going to steal signs, why tape them and not relay them in as they happen to Brady?

ClevTrev · Sep 10, 2007

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Talk about much ado . . . I'll reserve my opinion until the facts are fully reported. When you think about it, there are a set number of defensive alignments that are further adjusted once the offense comes to the line of scrimmage. The only advantage this practice could possibly afford is to provide information on personnel packages prior to calling the play. This seems like a real stretch, and my guess is that the league has no written policy for penalizing teams. If any scintilla of this is true, I can see a strongly-worded policy with specific penalties being written for future infractions. Other than that, this is something that many teams in the league can do with impunity at their home stadiums, as they're not going to remove their own personnel. Regarding personnel from a visiting team, the home team can give anyone the boot.

njpatsfan · Sep 10, 2007

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Sources: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
Did Patriots Cheat in Win Over Jets?

NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, sources said.

The camera and its tape were placed in a sealed box and forwarded to the league office for investigation, the sources said.

"We don't have any comment," an NFL spokesman said Monday.

The Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989

sarge · Sep 10, 2007

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cblesz said:
Am I missing something? Why would we freaking tape the signals if we were stealing them for this game? Did the guy videotaping them quickly hit rewind and relay them in? It just doesn't make sense. If you were going to steal signs, why tape them and not relay them in as they happen to Brady?

I was thinking the same thing.

This really needs to be explained to me.

So from the time the signal is sent in. They have to review the video, figure out the signal, and send it in to Brady???

All this in about 10-20 seconds???

Just doesn't make since unless they were planning to sell the signals to the Dolphins.

I hear they are in the market for this sort of thing.

MrBigglesWorth · Sep 10, 2007

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I hope BB is playing mind games and when the NFL reviews the tape it's really a tape of Mangini and Sesame Street and the guy wasn't even filming the game.

ClevTrev · Sep 10, 2007

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njpatsfan said:
The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.

This is even more sinister. What frequency issues caused by whom. Were the Jets radio signals being jammed by a high-tech scout on the sideline or was Mangini's pizza order for halftime intercepted. This is a job for the NSA.

sanvara · Sep 10, 2007

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njpatsfan said:
Sources: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
Did Patriots Cheat in Win Over Jets?

NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, sources said.

The camera and its tape were placed in a sealed box and forwarded to the league office for investigation, the sources said.

"We don't have any comment," an NFL spokesman said Monday.

The Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989

Good thing this wasn't baseball. Suspected signal stealing usually results in a fastball being aimed at someone's head.

JR4 · Sep 10, 2007

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I'm FLOORED!

I was just talking with a friend who is trainer for a college team.
He says stealing signals is an art. ALL teams do it. Some college teams
have as many as 20 extra people with sideline credentials. They are
there with an assignment and a note pad and are gathering play calling
information.

NFL is no different .... it is part of the game. Camera or Notebook ...
makes no difference teams are trying to capture play calling information
and it is a sophisticated information gathering process.

sdaniels7114 · Sep 10, 2007

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I was wondering about the radio comment too. As I understand it, the NSA would have a rough time decrypting those radio signals.

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