Sick of every mistake of Belichick being called "arrogance"

neuronet said:

Did you even watch the Super Bowl last year?

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I think he may have turned off his television after the Kearse tipped ball miracle catch, then turn it back on only when BSPN and other mediots were perpetrating the fallacy that the Seahawks were "defending champs" during certain points of the 2015 season.

Listen.......every single coach prior to BB crashed and burned within 6 years

everybody should just STFU, get on their knees a pray to this God of coaches

what a sad commentary on the state of Patriots hate these days..."arrogance!!!" again?...jeezus, c'mon...where's the new catchall hate phrase?

Joker said:

what a sad commentary on the state of Patriots hate these days..."arrogance!!!" again?...jeezus, c'mon...where's the new catchall hate phrase?

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when you have an intelligent person in a room full of morons , they will look arrogant

He should've took the points on the first 4th down. We had 2 possessions after that series plus 3 TO. Get lead down to 5, score a TD later and go for 2. Dumbfounded he passed up on 6 points with plenty of time and 3 To's...

It's not arrogance, it's just a decision. At the time, I thought it was a bad one, turns out it probably was. But he evaluated his offense, his defense, how the game had been going and determined that he figured their best shot was to go for it right there.

I understand his reasoning. I may not agree with it but then again he has more information than I do.

Playing probabilities still results in the improbable occurring occasionally, doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad decision, just that the odds didn't work out in his favor this time.

I don't always agree with Belichick.

I would have gone for the 4th and 2 against the Colts. (Agreed)
I would have called timeout in the Super Bowl before the Butler pick (Disagreed. Glad Belichick didn't).

On the first fourth down, I would have kicked, but I understand his decision.

Belichick weighs the risks. I don't always agree.

The only one I really don't get was the onside kick against the Eagles.

Nunchucks said:

I disagree that people would have killed Belichick if they kicked the field goal and lost the game. Going for it on 4th down was a mistake for a huge number of reasons. The patriots needed 2 scores to win the game.And to depend on scoring a 2-point conversion was absurd.

The Patriots had trouble completing passes all night long and now you are giving them 1 chance to complete 1 pass for a first down. Then you are asking them to score a TD from the 13, something they had trouble doing all game long. Take the field goal and worry about getting the TD on the next drive. On the next drive you have 4 downs to get into scoring position.

It is conventional wisdom to not chase points, nobody would have blamed Belichick for following the tried and true method...

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My point is not that people would kill BB for kicking it. In fact it is the opposite..

I think people here would have rather lost with the coach doing the traditional thing than him weighing the odds and going for it early. I will say it one last time, at the point where BB made the decision to go for it we were in the redzone for the very first time in the game out of our own power, we had the OL losing battles everywhere with Brady getting pressured 46% of the time, converting third downs 2/15 times (Denver actually had a higher conversion rate) and Denver shutting us down on offense the same way we were shutting them down. There is no way anyone can say that it was a stupid or misinformed decision to go for it given the circumstances at that point. I disagreed with it because I thought there was enough time for something to else happen but fully understood why he decided to do it. It would never cross my mind to call him arrogant or the situation a blunder for it just because it didn't work out in the end.

Many are making of teams for their coaches playing it too safe and punting on fourth down ect. but then when push comes to shove apparently want to have the same kind of decision-making on our team.

deters said:

He should've took the points on the first 4th down. We had 2 possessions after that series plus 3 TO. Get lead down to 5, score a TD later and go for 2. Dumbfounded he passed up on 6 points with plenty of time and 3 To's...

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If he takes the FG, then never gets close enough to score again, he'd be labeled an idiot.

If he goes for it, then scores later, he'd be labeled an idiot.

In both scenarios, there's no 100% solution. But there's definitely times both work and both fail. If you run both 100 times, you will succeed sometimes, you will fail sometimes. I don't know which scenario is "optimal" but neither is guaranteed success.

Those who wanted the points have to assume they can drive the field for a TD later, something we had only done once at that point, and only largely aided by a silly turnover by the Broncos at their own 22. And quite frankly, we barely got that TD, which is what BB was afraid of.

Jules had a heck of a return to get us to midfield. If we started at our own 34, we probably don't score. And even with the short field, we gained 0 yards in 3 plays, and needed a miracle play from Brady to Gronk to even keep the drive alive. Then with a fresh set of downs, we had 2 incompletes sandwiched around a 6-yard gain, and again a prayer by Brady.

Yes, we got the TD, but it took 5 incompletions, a 6-yard gain, and two miracle plays for 2 4th-down conversions. If we had kicked the FG and didn't get one of those miracle plays, everyone kills BB for being arrogant for assuming they'd be able to score again.

We evaluate based on outcome, but process matters quite a bit too in uncertain outcomes. So ask yourself, if we got the first down and then scored the TD, would you still have disagreed with the call? If so, I understand that and there are still people who would still take the points, even if it meant they lose. There are valid reasons for both. But if you're looking at just outcome, you're not really upset with the decision at all then, just that we lost.