23 hits on Brady...most on any QB since 2006

sb1 · Jan 25, 2016

And some dopes out there think Brady is a wimp.

RobertWeathers · Jan 25, 2016

I don't care who the QB is. If your QB gets hit 23 times you will lose.

This statistic is the single biggest indicator for why they lost.

DEN's front 4 OWNED the Pats o-line. Pass rush, stuffed the run.

Not sure if Lewis would have helped...maybe?

That performance was on par with SB 42.

Painful to watch.

Mark. · Jan 25, 2016

It was very painful to watch. And Brady once again found a way to get them down the field and be in a position to win in spite of the horrendous o-line.

ViperGTS · Jan 25, 2016

robertweathers said:
I don't care who the QB is. If your QB gets hit 23 times you will lose.

This statistic is the single biggest indicator for why they lost.

DEN's front 4 OWNED the Pats o-line. Pass rush, stuffed the run.

Not sure if Lewis would have helped...maybe?

That performance was on par with SB 42.

Painful to watch.

There was massive regression with the oline. Missed assignments galore. Goog needs to go.

They will go 10-6 at best next year. Could be worse if they don't fix the line and make it reliable. Lewis is irrelevant because he won't make it through a season. Your line should be great without one player.

RobertWeathers · Jan 25, 2016

Mark. said:
It was very painful to watch. And Brady once again found a way to get them down the field and be in a position to win in spite of the horrendous o-line.

They were closing the pocket with 3 rushers and roughing him up with four more often than not.

When you flood the field with 7 to 8 players in coverage and get pressure consistently with 3-4 players your QB has no chance.

Sometimes, you just need to give credit to the other team. Denver's D was outstanding yesterday.

RobertWeathers · Jan 25, 2016

ViperGTS said:
There was massive regression with the oline. Missed assignments galore. Goog needs to go.

They will go 10-6 at best next year. Could be worse if they don't fix the line and make it reliable. Lewis is irrelevant because he won't make it through a season. Your line should be great without one player.

I'm not an expert on line play but if there is one thing I do know is that the olines that play well have good chemistry and communication. That is the foundation for cohesiveness and consistency.

I'm not sure what Googs could have done. Stork hurt. Three rookies starting with one getting hurt. Solder hurt. Cannon hurt. Stork comes back and gets hurt. Vollmer hurt. Jackson hurt. Kline hurt. Vollmer comes back. Street free agents coming in. 5 different starters and the tackle positions....

Throw that in a high-pressure situation when you can't hear the player next to you vs a very good defensive front and that sounds like a bad situation to be in.

It becomes a very clear picture detailing the main reason why they lost.

Hammer of Thor · Jan 25, 2016

ViperGTS said:
There was massive regression with the oline. Missed assignments galore. Goog needs to go.

They will go 10-6 at best next year. Could be worse if they don't fix the line and make it reliable. Lewis is irrelevant because he won't make it through a season. Your line should be great without one player.

You know better than that. You're supposed to say that this is a 7-9 team at best next year.

Kontradiction · Jan 25, 2016

The question is what do they do? They will get Solder back next season but what about the interior OL? Do you trust Mason and Jackson to grow in the system? What about Stork? Do you try to make another move there or trust him to get healthy? Kline has to go. He's terrible. At best he's a back-up. That is one thing I know for certain. Outside of that, it will be interesting to see what they do with that unit. They've been downright horrible since letting Mankins go and were exposed through the second half of the season. If Brady gets hit like that again next year at age 39, he won't make it through the season.

SHOWTIME15 · Jan 25, 2016

KontradictioN said:
The question is what do they do? They will get Solder back next season but what about the interior OL? Do you trust Mason and Jackson to grow in the system? What about Stork? Do you try to make another move there or trust him to get healthy? Kline has to go. He's terrible. At best he's a back-up. That is one thing I know for certain. Outside of that, it will be interesting to see what they do with that unit. They've been downright horrible since letting Mankins go and were exposed through the second half of the season. If Brady gets hit like that again next year at age 39, he won't make it through the season.

do you like andrews better at center than stork? Bring wendell back? Solder is good, but not great.

i don't think you can fire Gug after one bad season where he had a bunch of injuries to deal with. after all he DID help win us a super bowl last year.

Kontradiction · Jan 25, 2016

TommyBrady12 said:
do you like andrews better at center than stork? Bring wendell back? Solder is good, but not great.

i don't think you can fire Gug after one bad season where he had a bunch of injuries to deal with. after all he DID help win us a super bowl last year.

That OL still sucked last year. The Pats just never ran into a defense that could do what Denver did to Edelman and Amendola yesterday.

turkeyneck · Jan 25, 2016

O line has to be the no. 1 priority this off-season. They stunk all year and much of last year. Sure, there were injuries, lots of them, and it was next man up over and over again. But that was not the core problem. There is a huge difference between Scar and DeGuglielmo. Under Scar, the next man up may not have been good when he started but he got better as time went on. Under Googs, even our all-pros regressed. Under Scar, you never had the sight of linemen wandering like stray cattle as the man who a moment ago was across the scrimmage line from him races unmolested to smash Brady. And you can't sell me the idea that all these guys are so physically inept that they can't run block - at all. The Oline often looked like they had never played football before, like they didn't know what they were supposed to do. There is a problem with Oline coaching. Googs is it. He has to go.

SHOWTIME15 · Jan 25, 2016

KontradictioN said:
That OL still sucked last year. The Pats just never ran into a defense that could do what Denver did to Edelman and Amendola yesterday.

agreed. michael bennett abused brady in the super bowl.

Kontradiction · Jan 25, 2016

turkeyneck said:
O line has to be the no. 1 priority this off-season. They stunk all year and much of last year. Sure, there were injuries, lots of them, and it was next man up over and over again. But that was not the core problem. There is a huge difference between Scar and DeGuglielmo. Under Scar, the next man up may not have been good when he started but he got better as time went on. Under Googs, even our all-pros regressed. Under Scar, you never had the sight of linemen wandering like stray cattle as the man who a moment ago was across the scrimmage line from him races unmolested to smash Brady. And you can't sell me the idea that all these guys are so physically inept that they can't run block - at all. The Oline often looked like they had never played football before, like they didn't know what they were supposed to do. There is a problem with Oline coaching. Googs is it. He has to go.

The Pats were starting two mid-round rookies, one of which is a huge project, a mid-round second year center who doesn't look like he's fully shaken off the latest concussion, a RT at LT, and two back-ups (at best) at RT and rotating out at LG. All that being considered, I'm not sure how much blame to lay at DeGuglielmo's feet.

RobertWeathers · Jan 25, 2016

What I'm confused about is that for a vast majority of the season, Shaq has been starting at LG. In the playoffs they start him at RG.

I'm sure that it was a well thought out, logical thing to do but its a helluva a lot harder to pull off on the road than at home.

I think sometimes the coaching staff expects a little too much on these players.

aluminum seats · Jan 25, 2016

The team went 10-0 with Andrews playing center, and then he couldn't get on the field. I say that with no confidence that he was worthy of playing over someone else out there, but it sure seems like sticking him at center and sliding Stork over may have been helpful.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 25, 2016

Fleming and Cannon were basically useless. The rusher coming off the edge had them beat repeatedly. It probably would have been better to just put another WR on the field because the rusher was essentially unblocked anyway. I just don't know how you can repeatedly get beat on the edge with the same move nearly every play.

aluminum seats · Jan 25, 2016

robertweathers said:
I'm not an expert on line play but if there is one thing I do know is that the olines that play well have good chemistry and communication.

Yeah, it's amazing how much that seems to matter. It actually seems like the really top offensive lines are a group of 5 guys who are close off the field too...

There's a cultural/personality aspect of that at times I guess I don't want to get into...

ViperGTS · Jan 25, 2016

Hammer of Thor said:
You know better than that. You're supposed to say that this is a 7-9 team at best next year.

I'm borderline on that. Losses to Seattle and Pitt. One each to the East teams. If they don't get an Alshon Jeffrey type AND fix the o-line it may be worse than that.

turkeyneck · Jan 25, 2016

KontradictioN said:
The Pats were starting two mid-round rookies, one of which is a huge project, a mid-round second year center who doesn't look like he's fully shaken off the latest concussion, a RT at LT, and two back-ups (at best) at RT and rotating out at LG. All that being considered, I'm not sure how much blame to lay at DeGuglielmo's feet.

I lay it at his feet because over his two years I've seen none - NONE - of our Oline, all pro vet, jag, rookie or scrub improve from whatever their original skill level was when Googs got his hands on them. The flat-out incompetence I see from the Oline can't - simply can't - be just injuries and skill. There is a disconnect between coach's scheming and players' understanding that never occurred under Scar.

Kontradiction · Jan 25, 2016

Bobsyouruncle said:
Fleming and Cannon were basically useless. The rusher coming off the edge had them beat repeatedly. It probably would have been better to just put another WR on the field because the rusher was essentially unblocked anyway. I just don't know how you can repeatedly get beat on the edge with the same move nearly every play.

I would cut Fleming tomorrow. He's absolute trash and he's as soft as cake. At no point should he be relied upon to protect Brady.

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