Report: Seahawks cut Super Bowl star WR Matthews

NG Pats Fan said:

Elite Big Wrs are overrated? So Deandre Hopkins is overrated? Julio Jones is overrated?

You make it sound like Brady only capable of producing with 5'10" slot wide receivers.

I could name 10 wide receivers throughout the league who are tall and big who I believe would thrive under Brady

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well then...it's settled. Send your resume in to 1 Patriot Place and demand a position in personnel.

RayClay said:

I'm not saying i trust him, but he looks a lot quicker, more confident and dynamic than Dobson.

Check Brady's quotes in Edelman injury articles. He has a lot of praise for Martin, then mentions everybody else but Dobson.

You need to win a job, nobody's going to give it to you.

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I thought that it was a board consensus that Martin had overtaken Dobson on the depth chart, prior to his injury? I mean--he was active on gamedays and getting some looks, whereas Dobson was not.

robertweathers said:

I think the concern is the time it takes to get open to actually take advantage of the downfield/jump ball advantage with the o-line as it's currently constituted.

WRs that can get open in < 2 seconds is pretty damn valuable to this team right now.

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This is it in a nutshell.

Our offense is tailored for quick, timing routes. While every team in the NFL can always use a tall, downfield threat, the guys getting open the quickest and the guys who are on the same page in terms of what they see (in agreement with #12) are the WRs who are most valuable to the team---particularly right now while the offense is in a bit of a transition period.

That's not to say that Matthews wouldn't be a potential PS stash if they feel that he's worthy of a spot, or meant to downplay the obvious talent that many bigger WRs have, but it's not what our offense is built around at this point in time.

TommyD4207 said:

Probably because he doesn't have the yips like Dobson does.

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Martin doesn't have 5 catches as a patriot. Dobson has near 50 with Brady. Martin is not in any universe even remotely close to Dobson as a patriot.

And Martin has missed several games with a bad hammy.

Archeryaddict12 said:

Martin doesn't have 5 catches as a patriot. Dobson has near 50 with Brady. Martin is not in any universe even remotely close to Dobson as a patriot.

And Martin has missed several games with a bad hammy.

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Then why was Martin playing and seeing targets from Tom Brady while Dobson was nothing more than a healthy scratch?

I'm not saying that one is "better" than the other, because I think we'd all agree that Dobson obviously has more talent, but there was a reason why Martin came in from another team and almost instantly was playing, while Dobson looked on from the bench.

It will be interesting to see how they split the reps now if Martin returns from injury. I'm not sure that Dobson has done much to help his cause. That said, Martin's injury likely hurt his chances with the unfortunate timing.

NG Pats Fan said:

Elite Big Wrs are overrated?

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People here keep up with that nonsense because the Patriots don't have such a receiver.

In this case, though, you're trying to replace Edelman, not a true OWR, so I'm not sure that bemoaning the lack of an elite big WR is the way to go.

robertweathers said:

No question Dobson has the yips.

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And yet, Chris Matthews couldn't hold Dobson's jock.

supafly said:

Then why was Martin playing and seeing targets from Tom Brady while Dobson was nothing more than a healthy scratch?

I'm not saying that one is "better" than the other, because I think we'd all agree that Dobson obviously has more talent, but there was a reason why Martin came in from another team and almost instantly was playing, while Dobson looked on from the bench.

It will be interesting to see how they split the reps now if Martin returns from injury. I'm not sure that Dobson has done much to help his cause. That said, Martin's injury likely hurt his chances with the unfortunate timing.

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To be honest I'd call it game planning and being different types of receivers, Dobson is probably better (well, more gifted) than a lot of players, but he doesn't fit the concepts we're currently playing (and his inconsitency is a large part of that).

He's also hard to trust, we aren't cheering for a team that rewards a lack of trust, Brady is the boss on the field.

Dobson is open pretty consistently however he went from making insane catches and rarely dropping anything in college to making every NFL catch look like the first time he's ever caught a football in his life. If it weren't for the incredible inconsistent ability to catch easy passes he'd probably have a 1,000 yard rookie season and be on his way to another one this season.

Martin seems to be used, in very limited fashion, in more Edelman-ish routes, he can play outside, but he still runs a lot of his stuff underneath. Dobson is better used as a more standard outside threat, more like LaFell, who is simply better. And all of the above stuff is why we didn't have a "LaFell Role" before LaFell came back.

RayClay said:

I'm not saying i trust him, but he looks a lot quicker, more confident and dynamic than Dobson.

Check Brady's quotes in Edelman injury articles. He has a lot of praise for Martin, then mentions everybody else but Dobson.

You need to win a job, nobody's going to give it to you.

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Neither of us have any idea how Brady feels about Dobson, but I will say that the one time Dobson got targeted a few times in a game he did very well

meatface said:

Neither of us have any idea how Brady feels about Dobson, but I will say that the one time Dobson got targeted a few times in a game he did very well

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Yeah, it's difficult to project what Belichick, McDaniels, and Brady feel about either Dobson or Martin, but we'll probably get a good idea as to how they're deployed in the coming month(s).

My guess is that we'll see some of both, although common sense says that we will only see 2/3 of Dobson, Martin, and Harper.

strngplyr said:

Martin seems to be used, in very limited fashion, in more Edelman-ish routes, he can play outside, but he still runs a lot of his stuff underneath. Dobson is better used as a more standard outside threat, more like LaFell, who is simply better. And all of the above stuff is why we didn't have a "LaFell Role" before LaFell came back.

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Nice analysis on the WR position. I agree that it may have been game planning related, although we rarely see an outsider come in and see targets so quickly, so I really don't think Martin playing and Dobson being a healthy scratch can be seen as anything other than "bad" for AD. Obviously, I could be quite wrong.

It may have been an attempt at going in another direction due to LaFell's absence. It also may have been due to Martin's capacity to act as a returner. Of course, it also may be due to Dobson's inability to set himself apart from the other contenders (to borrow a phrase used this year by Urban Meyer in regards to Ohio State's QB situation). In Meyer's situation, the player went on to earn a starting role. Let's hope Dobson can do the same.

dannydyn said:

Wow! clearly you have the ability to measure a player's IQ through osmosis.... Impressing.

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It took Jabbar Gaffney 10 games to pick up the offense and he is the most successful in season pick up at WR during the Belichick era.

I don't measure a player's IQ through osmosis, I look at the situation rationally and logically and don't want to jump at every tall WR who runs vertical routes who probably doesn't fit into the Pats' system.

NG Pats Fan said:

Elite Big Wrs are overrated? So Deandre Hopkins is overrated? Julio Jones is overrated?

You make it sound like Brady only capable of producing with 5'10" slot wide receivers.

I could name 10 wide receivers throughout the league who are tall and big who I believe would thrive under Brady

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The WRs themselves are not overrated. The need for them is. Name the last elite WR who has won a Super Bowl. You named two WRs who are teams that haven't even seen .500 in the last few years. So you selected two WRs who help prove my point.

And the Pats are not a vertical offense. They revised the offense for Moss because Moss is arguably the best WR of all time and even then, he would consistently fall off in the playoffs.

And Belichick disagrees with you. He rarely goes after tall and big WRs. Brandon Lafell is more of the exception than the rule and as a big WR. And he isn't a deep threat.

supafly said:

This is it in a nutshell.

Our offense is tailored for quick, timing routes. While every team in the NFL can always use a tall, downfield threat, the guys getting open the quickest and the guys who are on the same page in terms of what they see (in agreement with #12) are the WRs who are most valuable to the team---particularly right now while the offense is in a bit of a transition period.

That's not to say that Matthews wouldn't be a potential PS stash if they feel that he's worthy of a spot, or meant to downplay the obvious talent that many bigger WRs have, but it's not what our offense is built around at this point in time.

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Sure thing. If Matthews can learn the offense, show good hands, run good routes and play STs, having a 6-5 receiver on this team isn't a bad thing.

He'd be an All Pro if he could push off on Kyle Arrington every play. LOL

NG Pats Fan said:

He's 6'5 has a great vertical, he would scare the defense enough to open up the underneath routes...

Sign him!!!!!

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Just being 6'5 isn't enough to scare a defense. Have to be able to actually catch and get open.

Hammer of Thor said:

Odds that Rex puts in a claim for him specifically for this week's game?.....

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And team captain as well?

So when will we know if Matthews is claimed??

TommyD4207 said:

I agree that anyone wanting David Tyree 2.0 over Dobson is nuts.

But let's not pretend that Dobson doesn't have the yips.

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in what way does he have the yips?

The Ravens will claim him so he can be reunited with Kyle Arrington.