Patriots Release Additional Deflategate E-mails

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

If we believe that the ref remembers the gauge he used, then in that bathroom,

McNally took 0.3-0.4 psi from two footballs,
added 0.3 psi to two other footballs,
and left the rest alone

sensible, huh?

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Why someone would mock this is beyond me. Of course, who wants to be hung up on scientific facts when instead they can find a reason to insult someone?

Mack Herron said:

What would be the plausible scenario, taking into account Brady's stated desire for the balls to be 12.5 as well as the actual measurements in the Wells report? I struggle with this but I'd happily acknowledge a plausible scenario that was consistent with all the facts. I have not seen one yet, but it does not mean it doesn't exist.

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Brady wants ball soft. "Deflator" makes balls softer. The specific 12.5 PSI is a straw man.

This isn't tough, and the actual measurements show a range, not a single number, which is something that both the Wells report and some people here have apparently decided to ignore.

Deus Irae said:

Brady wants ball soft

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How soft?

kjw said:

How soft?

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He sure didn't like 16 psi.

Fencer said:

I'd guess it's a small, single-seater rest room. Am I wrong?

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Video surveillance for a single seater? I sure hope you're wrong. LOL

Ross12 said:

Essentially their report boils down to: we think McNally is a mystic ninja capable of manipulating the time/space continuum to perform ball deflation, and our reasoning for believing this is based on a couple text messages.

So according to Ted Wells, if you call yourself "the deflator", you must have magic ball deflating powers. Just because you say it does not make it so, Ted. Same as when you call yourself "independent"...

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BOOM!

Koma said:

But he LOCKED THE DOOR! GUILTY!
j/k

I believe it was a single person restroom (1 sink/1 toilet.) You could lock the door so you wouldn't have to worry about someone walking in while you were relieving yourself.

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Ok, if so, understand the locked door. But even so ... if he was trying to be secretive about deflating, why a rest room? Someone comes while he's doing it, knocks, waits and sees him come out with the balls. There
must have been a better place than a small rest room to do this illegal thing.

Deus Irae said:

He sure didn't like 16 psi.

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There is evidence that he likes them at 12.5psi. There is no evidence at all that he likes them lower than that.
Jastremski prepared them at 12.5 and Anderson inspected them at 12.5.

The strawman is 'he likes them soft'.

AndyJohnson said:

Why someone would mock this is beyond me. Of course, who wants to be hung up on scientific facts when instead they can find a reason to insult someone?

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ALERT!!!! ALERT!!!!

Logic being used to question NFL authority. Turn off your computer at once or face consequences. Refer to conclusions made by Minister of Propaganda, Ted Wells, sanctioned by The Fuhrer Roger Goodell.

Long live the Fuhrer.

ALERT!!!! ALERT!!!!


(I am Jewish, so I can use this over-the-top analogy, right?)

Deus Irae said:

Someone who wanted to make the balls just a little bit softer, in order to keep their QB happy.

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But Brady complained when they were 16, not when they were 13. There isn't any indication in all the texts that Brady was upset about ball pressure any other time. And he was angry with Jastremski, not McNally. Brady had nothing to do with McNally. He even thought his name was Burt.

When this first came out months ago, people were trying to tell the difference between 2 psi not .3-.4. Some people could and some couldn't. 0.3 to 0.4 is nothing. Hell, it's the difference between the two gauges used by the ref. It seems most people still, even many in the media, still think this is about 2 psi.

Who carried the Colts balls?

AndyJohnson said:

There is evidence that he likes them at 12.5psi. There is no evidence at all that he likes them lower than that.
Jastremski prepared them at 12.5 and Anderson inspected them at 12.5.

The strawman is 'he likes them soft'.

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Ya. He isn't sending someone to show the refs the 12.5-13.5 rule if he is looking to get them under 12.5. If he had these guys deflating footballs why the hell would he ever tell him to bring the refs the rule, he would just expect them to keep doing what they were supposedly doing.

Guess "Refs f*cked us, balls were close to 16 PSI, should have been 13" means absolutely nothing and can be disregarded but every other text that appears damning has to be taken as 100% proof on guilt.

If they were really deflating balls why would Jastremski even bring that up, McNally would have taken air out of them and they would have never been 16.

NashuaPats said:

But Brady complained when they were 16, not when they were 13.

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True, at least as far as we know

NashuaPats said:

There isn't any indication in all the texts that Brady was upset about ball pressure any other time.

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True

NashuaPats said:

And he was angry with Jastremski, not McNally.

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We don't know that. You're making an assumption there.

NashuaPats said:

Brady had nothing to do with McNally. He even thought his name was Burt.

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Misspeaking a nickname while under questioning is not dispositive proof, and knowingly going through a 3rd party would still be sufficiently damning.

NashuaPats said:

When this first came out months ago, people were trying to tell the difference between 2 psi not .3-.4. Some people could and some couldn't.

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True

NashuaPats said:

0.3 to 0.4 is nothing. Hell, it's the difference between the two gauges used by the ref.

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I wouldn't say that it's nothing, but it is certainly not particularly significant to most people. If McNally was guilty of messing with the footballs, it was probably either deflating just a touch to be safe, or deflating until the ball felt 'right' to him. I don't really see a scenario where he was checking every ball for a specific PSI as being likely, even if there was something going on.

NashuaPats said:

It seems most people still, even many in the media, still think this is about 2 psi.

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I think it's more a matter of the 2 PSI still looming as a specter in their logic minds, coupled with the American tendency to get glossy eyed about anything mathematical or scientific, but I hear what you're saying.

None of this runs counter to anything I've been saying, though.

Just curious...
Wonder what McNally's PLAN B was .......if the bathroom with the lock (the alleged crime scene) happened to be occupied (locked). We've been told this bathroom was the last possible room, just inside the entrance to the stadium.
Sinister minds will argue he went for the locked room ...or if he really had to go wee wee he would have found the nearest bathroom not the last bathroom.....BUT.......what if this last resort was occupado?
Was McNally a poor planner and just lucky?

PS>>>The Pats need a note from McNally's doctor discussing his prostate issues...

Froob said:

How long before people start with the "Patriots need to stop spewing facts and man up and accept their punishment."?

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That happened a few days ago.

Deus Irae said:

Brady wants ball soft. "Deflator" makes balls softer. The specific 12.5 PSI is a straw man.

This isn't tough, and the actual measurements show a range, not a single number, which is something that both the Wells report and some people here have apparently decided to ignore.

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I would suggest it is a bit harder than you're making it out to be. One could question whether a guy as meticulous as Brady who said he likes them at 12.5 would accept a procedure such as "squeeze test", which will be less accurate than a gauge. But for the sake of discussion, let's say the Deflator is applying a squeeze test. When he encounters a ball at 16 psi it will feel hard--it won't pass the squeeze test, and he would deflate it to something similar to 12.5 psi (by the squeeze test). But on this day, the NFL was paying unusual attention to ball pressure because Walt Anderson had been tipped off to the sting. It seems to me he would take care to put the balls at the desired 12.5 (after all, he knew what was at stake). When the Deflator gets into the men's room to apply the squeeze test, none of the balls feel hard, so there is no need to deflate. But you are suggesting that even though they pass the squeeze test, the Deflator sticks a needle in every ball for just a second to let out an amount of air that is undetectably different by the squeeze test. Why would he do this? If he were afraid that Brady was such a stickler and he did not want to risk his wrath, he would surely bring a gauge into the men's room and take no chances with his squeeze test being different than Brady's. But if he took a gauge into the room, (a) he would find all the balls around 12.5 without need for adjustment, and (b) he would not be able to obtain accurate measurements within the allotted time. (Did your tv show use a pressure gauge?). Either scenario--the squeeze test or the gauge-- strains credulity, as the Patriots counsel has suggested.

It's theoretically possible for McNally to be a football-deflating savant and be needling each ball for 1 second extremely quickly, but to believe this to be the case would mean you'd be pulling a Wells and only believing half of Anderson's memory and working off the Non-Logo gauge, and even then, all the other contributing factors to potential PSI loss go a very long way toward showing the resulting levels at halftime were simply due to nature and in-game factors.

I can fully see a scenario where Brady puts the fear of god in Jastremski after a bad PSI day (i.e. Jets game) who then berates McNally that the balls better be right or Brady will flip out, causing McNally to just let a little air out before games thinking it'll keep Brady happy. However, this still does not give any indication that Brady was part of the operation, and all of it could simply be a byproduct of his overly intense persona at times.

And even then, if you were to only believe half of Anderson's memory, believe none of the in-game factors made much difference, AND believe that Brady caused ball deflating to occur either by direct command or indirect rage, what you're left with is one dude needling a ball for a second. This is $25k fine material and that's it.

borg said:

Who carried the Colts balls?

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A better question is who carried the Colts' water?

fester said:

I am a soccer ref so I know that get only a few tenths of a PSI out is a PITA so to get all 12 balls within a narrow band in 100 seconds or less without a pump to reinflate and the redeflate is impressively improbable

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So what you're saying is "more probable than not"

eom said:

Well, that's obviously not the only time the pats tamper, as the wells report states that these suspicions came up in the previous game when the pats were on the road in a dome...

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Tampering's something else. That's just a 100 K fine