The Published Wells Report.

IllegalContact · May 6, 2015

blah blah blah........the NFL can go f*ck itself

the league will not get nickel from me for the rest of time if they implement any punishment.

EDIT: beyond the 25K for tampering with footballs

Tunescribe · May 6, 2015

RolandDeschain said:
Brady had the right to not hand over his cell phone.

The NFL also has the right to suspend him for even appearing to tarnish the shield. This isn't a capital murder case, Goodell doesn't need a 12-member jury of Brady's peers to convict. Look at how Roethlisberger got suspended for his second alleged incident with a female where nothing was even proven.

If this represents the reasoning capability of Seahawks fans, I'm doubly glad you didn't win a second consecutive Super Bowl.

ViperGTS · May 6, 2015

Satchboogie3 said:
There is a key difference here though. The NFLPA wasn't going to get behind Rapelisberger with his past. Brady, on the other hand, is as clean as they get. You're crazy if you don't think the players association will rip the Well's report to shreds. No matter what Goodell dishes out, Brady won't miss a game due to suspension. It's just not going to happen.

The public outcry will demand it. There will literally be protests by the simpleminded if he isn't suspended and for a very lengthy amount of time.

It smells all around. Deny Brady a shot at 5, at least make him a year older. It runs so much deeper than we may know.

QuantumMechanic · May 6, 2015

nowayback said:
Brady would have been crazy to give his cell, I imagine he has personal stuff on it. And the way the nfl leaks like a sieve.....

Investigators then proposed that Brady's personal lawyer would vet the phone and forward only relevant (as deemed by Brady's lawyer) information to the investigators and that the investigators would never touch the phone, and Brady rejected that as well.

Not saying he was necessarily wrong to do so, but it's not that his only options were hand the phone in or refuse to hand it in, either.

nowayback · May 6, 2015

Mr. Plow said:
Rob, thanks for posting this. It looks like the gauges the two "officials" used disagreed by .3 to .4 psi. That means that one of the gauges was wrong. Forgive me for sounding stupid, but doesn't that raise the possibility that both gauges were wrong?

I assume they are re-calibrated often

Soul_Survivor88 · May 6, 2015

Jack Trudel · May 6, 2015

This was total BS and a set up. Read it. McNally and Jeremiah had exchanged info in one conversation that the REFS had inflated the balls to 16 LBS for the Jets game but nothing was made of that even though it happened three months earlier. Sounds like the refs were on the take. No wonder Brady wanted to insure the balls were @12.5 lbs. Nowhere in all the testimony did Tom state or imply they should have been any less. McNally did this on his own if anyone did anything untoward.

It also turned out the refs reinflated the balls at halftime to the max, at 13.5 lbs. Wells injected his personal opinions along with a few ad hominem attacks throughout and the only reason the report was 240 some odd pages was because Wells kept repeating his jaundiced opinions. Whenever a point was made in favor of the Pats Wells dismissed it as inconsequential. This was a hatchet job plain and simple.

Marko · May 6, 2015

Mr. Plow said:
Rob, thanks for posting this. It looks like the gauges the two "officials" used disagreed by .3 to .4 psi. That means that one of the gauges was wrong. Forgive me for sounding stupid, but doesn't that raise the possibility that both gauges were wrong?

Don't be stupid only the gauge that would exonerate the Patriots could be wrong, don't you know this by now?

Mr. Plow · May 6, 2015

Gator Mike said:
When you measure the psi on a ball, doesn't it let a little air out? Possible that measuring the balls the first time let out .3 to .4 psi???

The report claims that using a gauge doesn't let out that much air. But, both gauges can't be right. These aren't scientific instruments they were using, they were off-the-shelf gauges using a coiled spring. If the two gauges were that far apart, then one of them had to be wrong... why not both?

Aßßynormal · May 6, 2015

ViperGTS said:
The public outcry will demand it. There will literally be protests by the simpleminded if he isn't suspended and for a very lengthy amount of time.

It smells all around. Deny Brady a shot at 5, at least make him a year older. It runs so much deeper than we may know.

I agree. We need an immediate PR offensive to prevent this.

aluminum seats · May 6, 2015

I do want to say this about Brady.

He didn’t seem like himself in that initial press conference when this first came out. That could have been for a bunch of different reasons, but he didn’t. And now this report is out. A wishy-washy “I don’t think I broke the rules” or whatever won’t cut it.
If he had nothing to do with this, he should be furious, and he should come out and be furious.
If he did have something to do with it—whatever that might be—he should just say whatever it is. Bite the bullet, which I’m sure would be very hard, particularly since Kraft stood up for him. Say, most QBs mess with the balls to get them the way they want. Or look, a lot of times they’re OVER-inflated, and I want to make sure that doesn’t happen. Or maybe even worst case…he says, yeah, I have my guys take some air out…it seemed like pretty harmless gamesmanship that goes on all the time, and I lied because the big furor about it honestly caught me off-guard….there’s a lot of stuff that goes on in this league, and I couldn’t believe that slightly underinflated footballs would be treated so seriously. I didn't know how to react. But I know our record of excellence has made us a target, and I should have been more aware of that. I’m not perfect…but we’ll take whatever punishment the league wants to dish out, and we’ll be ready to compete (translation, crush everyone) again next year...
I am NOT saying he did anything wrong, and at this point he might be inviting greater punishment by admitting anything. But it would still be preferable to stonewalling.
But if he knows nothing about any of this? Go BALLISTIC. Hell, if it was me I’d be out there now.

Danger Zone · May 6, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:

That Brady quote is inaccurate I believe and relies on the reading of the football that the Colts had in their possession and that the Wells Report states did their own test on.

The math comes out to to 10% on the next worst football.

RolandDeschain · May 6, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Actually, proof is needed. Feel free to look to the Saints case for proof that I'm correct.

The issue here is likely to be about which standard of proof is deemed to apply.

But keep on digging.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Sean Payton was suspended for a YEAR because he "should have known", and that quote is from Goodell. Google it if you don't believe me.

He could slap Brady with a year-long suspension with the same quote if he wants to.

IcyPatriot · May 6, 2015

Mr. Plow said:
The report says that Brady asked the refs to inflate the balls to the low end of the acceptable range. If Brady intended to simply deflate the balls later, why would he bother to do this?

Mr. Plow .... WTF...

Dr Pain · May 6, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
/QUOTE]

You are wrong. It was not 15%. It was around 5% You forgot to add 14.7 for atmospheric pressure

jmt57 · May 6, 2015

RolandDeschain said:
Again, what virtually all Patriots fans in this thread seem to be ignoring is the fact that PROOF is not needed. This isn't a court of law. ANYTHING a player does that is deemed to harm the image of the NFL can result in all kinds of penalties and repercussions. Goodell and the NFL don't NEED absolute proof. Even a whiff is enough if they want to make an example of someone.

It's just like how universities include what's commonly referred to as a "moral turpitude" clause in professor contracts, so they can get rid of tenured professors that get embroiled in scandals regardless of whatever gets proven, if anything.

Everyone here needs to stop with the "there's no cold, hard, proof!!" angle because it doesn't matter. Brady was OBVIOUSLY a part of this to at least some degree as far as knowing what was going on, and that's enough by NFL rules.

Obviously proof of what? That he wanted the footballs to be at 12.5 psi?

If you're going to advocate a suspension for Brady, why are you not doing the same for Aaron Rodgers?

It wouldn't have anything to do with which team your Seahawks beat in the playoffs, and which team they lost to, would it?

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ntz-deflate-gate-new-england-patriots-packers

'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do'

IcyPatriot · May 6, 2015

Patriot fans trying to make logical sense of a sandbag of a report

... just saying ... there is little logic for the sandbag job.

scott99 · May 6, 2015

RolandDeschain said:
Again, what virtually all Patriots fans in this thread seem to be ignoring is the fact that PROOF is not needed. This isn't a court of law. ANYTHING a player does that is deemed to harm the image of the NFL can result in all kinds of penalties and repercussions. Goodell and the NFL don't NEED absolute proof. Even a whiff is enough if they want to make an example of someone.

It's just like how universities include what's commonly referred to as a "moral turpitude" clause in professor contracts, so they can get rid of tenured professors that get embroiled in scandals regardless of whatever gets proven, if anything.

Everyone here needs to stop with the "there's no cold, hard, proof!!" angle because it doesn't matter. Brady was OBVIOUSLY a part of this to at least some degree as far as knowing what was going on, and that's enough by NFL rules.

I was always told arguing with a moron brings you down to their level. I'm done arguing.

nowayback · May 6, 2015

Why is anyone discussing with the Seattle fan? You don't answer them...they fade into oblivion

JMC00 · May 6, 2015

jmt57 said:
Obviously proof of what? That he wanted the footballs to be at 12.5 psi?

If you're going to advocate a suspension for Brady, why are you not doing the same for Aaron Rodgers?

It wouldn't have anything to do with which team your Seahawks beat in the playoffs, and which team they lost to, would it?

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ntz-deflate-gate-new-england-patriots-packers

'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do'

Ya where is the outcry for Rodgers to be suspended, he went on record saying he over-inflates footballs. That is more evidence than Ted Wells has on Brady.

Just proves the extreme bias the mediots have.

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