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I absolutely wouldn't offer Crabtree or Bowe what Stevie Johnson was offered. I wonder what Bowe's
former LSU teammate (however briefly) Brandon Lafell thinks of him. If those thoughts are positive,
then I'd consider making him an offer between the Gibson & Johnson ones, but for less guaranteed $.
Don't be naïve.

Crabtree and Bowe want money and the opportunity to be either the number one or number two wide receiver on their respective teams.
 
Stevie Johnson got 3 years/10.5 million? There's no argument to be made that he was worth that for the role he'd have on this team.

Move on, nothing to see here.
 
Don't be naïve.
Crabtree and Bowe want money and the opportunity to be either the number one or number two wide receiver on their respective teams.

If true, then it's Crabtree & Bowe who are naive, because no team with a clue (which does not include Cleveland) will offer either of them #1/2 money, because neither of them deserves #1/2 money.
 
The question, in my opinion, isn't whether they're happy. It's whether they're confident the lineup as currently configured (and assuming it won't be reinforced in the draft) is enough to sustain them through an entire season + playoffs.

That's an incredibly fine line. If they are happy, by definition the position isn't one of high need. The fact that they are attempting to buttress the current group in an attempt to provide better injury protection doesn't really change that. They clearly aren't looking for anyone to overtake the top three.
 
That's an incredibly fine line. If they are happy, by definition the position isn't one of high need. The fact that they are attempting to buttress the current group in an attempt to provide better injury protection doesn't really change that. They clearly aren't looking for anyone to overtake the top three.

Not high need, but certainly a need. And moreso than it would be otherwise since we can't/shouldn't rely on another year of relatively good luck in the injury department.
 
Not high need, but certainly a need. And moreso than it would be otherwise since we can't/shouldn't rely on another year of relatively good luck in the injury department.

I'm not sure it was that good. Despite being active all year, Amendola was only healthy for about half the season. Edelman missed two games and was hampered in a few others. Dobson was a waste all year and ended up IR. Only LaFell was healthy throughout.

Gronk is another issue, which is why I viewed a viable #2 there as my top FA target before the CB misadventures.

Sure, you want to be prepared in case of an even worse situation, but that is pretty standard for receiving corps.
 
The question, in my opinion, isn't whether they're happy. It's whether they're confident the lineup as currently configured (and assuming it won't be reinforced in the draft) is enough to sustain them through an entire season + playoffs.
Well lets take a look at that. Its a fair question....and a good one. In fact that's one of the reasons I'm so comfortable with what they have currently.

LaFell - Edelman and DA are currently the top 3 options. If anything happened to Edelman, DA is a good fit to replace him. If anything happens to Lafell, some sort of combination of Dobson/Gibson/Tyms could be there to pick up the pieces.. If DA went down, Boyce is a decent option, and if, god forbid, Gronk went down, Chandler is never going to replace him, but at least he's a possible solution.

Lets not forget that Dobson was the most productive rookie WR in the BB era. This is a very difficult offense for a rookie to step into, and Dobson held his own. If his problems are more than just physical, it won't take us long to find out. However if all that was getting in his way were the injuries, and he is now healthy, then there is no reason to believe, he can't be the missing piece of the offensive puzzle we all have been looking for.

Lets not forget Tyms either. Like Butler, he was one of those anonymous camp bodies that stood out right from his first day at practice. He has a lot of raw speed and the length to be a deep threat as well. I am really looking forward to seeing if he can do more than run 9 routes. There is no question the kid has potential, but he needs to be better this year if he wants a real roll on the team. On the plus side, as the season went on, he started to find a more active roll on special teams

Lets not forget Boyce. I couldn't help hut notice that at least a couple of times in every TC practice I attended Boyce would get open deep. I've opined in other threads, that his running ability might make him an outside the box option as a 3rd down RB. He might have a better shot making the roster at that position than the crowed WR.

Lets not forget Brandon Gibson. I don't know much about him except that 2 years ago the Pats coaching staff thought he was the biggest WR threat the Phins had.....and then he got hurt. Last year wasn't a good one for him. If he comes back and is the guy the Pats thought he was in 2013, they got a steal. If not, not much is lost.

So in the end here's the problem. Who out there in FA is better than these guys, or THAT much better. Who out there who might have the skills is willing to come here and be at best the #4 option and have to learn a new, rather unique passing system, work their asses off....and for low end pay. Does that sound like the average WR mentality to you?

THAT's why I think we would be better off working and developing the guys we already have
 
So in the end here's the problem. Who out there in FA is better than these guys, or THAT much better. Who out there who might have the skills is willing to come here and be at best the #4 option and have to learn a new, rather unique passing system, work their asses off....and for low end pay. Does that sound like the average WR mentality to you?

THAT's why I think we would be better off working and developing the guys we already have

There was a whole bunch of better options. The Patriots, as is their pattern, let them get away, in favor of gambling on low cost bargain shopping in straight free agency. That doesn't mean the team is better off developing the existing guys. It's abundantly clear that, at the WR position, such has not been the case in New England.
 
Well lets take a look at that. Its a fair question....and a good one. In fact that's one of the reasons I'm so comfortable with what they have currently.

LaFell - Edelman and DA are currently the top 3 options. If anything happened to Edelman, DA is a good fit to replace him. If anything happens to Lafell, some sort of combination of Dobson/Gibson/Tyms could be there to pick up the pieces.. If DA went down, Boyce is a decent option, and if, god forbid, Gronk went down, Chandler is never going to replace him, but at least he's a possible solution.

Lets not forget that Dobson was the most productive rookie WR in the BB era. This is a very difficult offense for a rookie to step into, and Dobson held his own. If his problems are more than just physical, it won't take us long to find out. However if all that was getting in his way were the injuries, and he is now healthy, then there is no reason to believe, he can't be the missing piece of the offensive puzzle we all have been looking for.

Lets not forget Tyms either. Like Butler, he was one of those anonymous camp bodies that stood out right from his first day at practice. He has a lot of raw speed and the length to be a deep threat as well. I am really looking forward to seeing if he can do more than run 9 routes. There is no question the kid has potential, but he needs to be better this year if he wants a real roll on the team. On the plus side, as the season went on, he started to find a more active roll on special teams

Lets not forget Boyce. I couldn't help hut notice that at least a couple of times in every TC practice I attended Boyce would get open deep. I've opined in other threads, that his running ability might make him an outside the box option as a 3rd down RB. He might have a better shot making the roster at that position than the crowed WR.

Lets not forget Brandon Gibson. I don't know much about him except that 2 years ago the Pats coaching staff thought he was the biggest WR threat the Phins had.....and then he got hurt. Last year wasn't a good one for him. If he comes back and is the guy the Pats thought he was in 2013, they got a steal. If not, not much is lost.

So in the end here's the problem. Who out there in FA is better than these guys, or THAT much better. Who out there who might have the skills is willing to come here and be at best the #4 option and have to learn a new, rather unique passing system, work their asses off....and for low end pay. Does that sound like the average WR mentality to you?

THAT's why I think we would be better off working and developing the guys we already have
Point taken. But you also have to understand it's not the fans driving this. It is Bill. Bill wanted Stevie here even made a final push to get him knowing full well he has Edelman, Lafell, DA. He also knows what he has in Dobson, Tyms, Boyce. He STILL wanted Stevie Johnson here. What does that tell you about Dobson, Tyms, Boyce?
 
I don't know if I should read too much into this, but with attempting to sign Johnson & Harvin, signing two other minor dudes, keeping Tyms and Amendola, it means to me they might just draft a receiver somewhat early. It's obvious to me they are trying to upgrade the receiver position. It's the one position where we didn't lose anyone, but they seem to be focusing a lot on that position.
 
I don't know if I should read too much into this, but with attempting to sign Johnson & Harvin, signing two other minor dudes, keeping Tyms and Amendola, it means to me they might just draft a receiver somewhat early. It's obvious to me they are trying to upgrade the receiver position. It's the one position where we didn't lose anyone, but they seem to be focusing a lot on that position.

Patriots have not had a good record on drafting WRs... That is a fact.. Percentage-wise, that is.

I am really hoping they are focused on drafting DBs, then OL.... Or vice-versa..
 
I don't know if I should read too much into this, but with attempting to sign Johnson & Harvin, signing two other minor dudes, keeping Tyms and Amendola, it means to me they might just draft a receiver somewhat early. It's obvious to me they are trying to upgrade the receiver position. It's the one position where we didn't lose anyone, but they seem to be focusing a lot on that position.

"Focused" is too strong a word, IMO. It's just a matter of what players are available.
 
I don't know if I should read too much into this, but with attempting to sign Johnson & Harvin, signing two other minor dudes, keeping Tyms and Amendola, it means to me they might just draft a receiver somewhat early. It's obvious to me they are trying to upgrade the receiver position. It's the one position where we didn't lose anyone, but they seem to be focusing a lot on that position.


You may be right but my feeling is that they're trying to add depth to the WR position through FA so they don't have to address it in the draft.
 
Look I was watching a Sam Bradford highlights on youtube last week and in fact what I saw was a Brandon Gibson highlights. He played very well for the Rams, at least in that video.

This might be a good signing but I agree with those who are on the "WR is a need" side of the discussion. I truly believe Laffell was the real deal last season that allowed things to happen in the middle of the field, not to mention the clutch TD's against the Ravens and Seattle. A Healthy Gronk also helps of course. In previous years we complained about the smurf receivers getting shutdown against physical defenses in the playoffs. This year, we faced the most physical defense in the last decades and won them just going that way, small and shift receivers working short routes and dink and dunk all day, but we had Laffell and Gronk or saying better, Seattle had them. Had to account for them, so NE works well with those small receivers because Brady can work with these guys better than anyone but a big outside receiver, or a speedy guy is just as important as CB, G, DT. etc...
 
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