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So last week I speculated after Jordan Devey's gruesome second half against Miami that the Pats would probably evaluate other options at the RG spot in Week 2. Obviously that didn't happen. Maybe Ryan Wendell's knee injury tied their hands a bit, but the Pats still had Josh Kline and Bryan Stork available if they needed a warm body. So lukewarm as it may be, Devey certainly got a vote of confidence this week.

As far as I can see, the Patriots are basically committed to putting big, mauling guards on the field, which Cannon (6'5") and Devey (6'6") are and which Kline (6'3) Connolly (6'4") and Wendell (6'2") are not, which fits with DeGuglielmo's m.o. So long as those two don't kill somebody or **** themselves for an entire game the Pats look like they will roll with them until they "stop improving" and I think we can all agree that there is plenty of room for improvement.

Despite their large size the Pats are not shy about pulling either Cannon or Devey, and especially Devey. Against Minnesota they did it repeatedly, both for runs and play action. Very little zone or straight drive blocking going on which is good because both Cannon and Devey tend to suck at straight power blocking, especially Devey. Cannon can move people but tends to slide off. Devey tends to get bowled over backwards.

Anyways the 1st half, focused as always on the pass blocking:

Code:
1st Drive 1st Quarter 10:54
1.    Run
2.    Run
3.    Run

2nd Drive 1st 6:57
1.    Run
2.    Run

3rd Drive 1st 4:43
1.    Play action

2.    Run
3.    Run
4.    Fly sweep

5.    Play action

6.    Play action
7.    Run / Holding Cannon
8.    Draw
9.    WR bubble screen

4th Drive 2nd 13:30
1.    Run
2.    Quick pass (offensive tackles cut block)
3.    Clean pocket / OPI Dobson
4.    Fake draw / Devey picks up stunt

5.    Run
6.    Clean pocket
7.    Pressure Solder 97

8.    +1 Blitz / Free rusher knockdown / Pressure Hoomanawanui 96

5th Drive 2nd 5:51
1.    Run
2.    Play action

3.    Run
4.    Run
5.    Run / Cannon Connolly Devey demerits

Code:
Player		Sack	Knockdown	Pressure	Demerit
Solder		0		0		1		0
Cannon		0		0		0		1
Connolly	0		0		0		1
Devey		0		0		0		1
Vollmer		0		0		0		0

Now before everyone gets all excited and happy concerning the 1st half blocking dominance of the o-line, take a closer look at the play chart up there and note all the run plays and play action plays the Pats ran. The Pats did not run a straight-up pass play until their 17th play of the half, 20 minutes into the game. The third time they did it Solder allowed a pressure off a spin move to the inside.

Let me emphasize that again: out of 27 offensive plays the Pats ran in the first half, 23 of them were either runs, passes off of play action, or designed quick throws such as WR screens, slants, or quick outs. The Pats o-line was only asked to block against a bona-fide pass rush four times. They gave Brady a clean pocket twice, and a third was a +1 blitz Brady hit Edelman for a TD on.

The offensive line really wasn't given a chance to screw things up.

I would like to call special attention to the last play of the half, where I gave the entire interior of the line a demerit. That was the third and one call where Ridley lost a yard running off-tackle to the left. Cannon let his guy slide past him and tried to hook him, while Connolly and Devey basically got bowled over at the snap, Devey ending up on the ground three yards in the backfield. Ugly stuff.

Second half coming eventually.

EDIT: the whitespace handling continues to be touch-and-go.
 
Many more straight pass plays in the 2nd half and consequently more pressure.

Code:
1st Drive 3rd 15:00
1.	Quick out
2.	Run

3.	Quick hitch
4.	Clean pocket

5.	Run
6.	Run
7.	Clean pocket

2nd Drive 3rd 9:14
1.	Run (Demerit Devey: assigned LB 54 makes tackle)
2.	Quick out
3.	Solder pressure 97 unanchor / Vereen merit blocks two blitzers sequentially

3rd Drive 3rd 6:47
1.	Play action / RB screen / Solder block in the back and holding 
2.	Solder false start
3.	Draw
4.	97 offsides / clean pocket
5.	Draw
6.	Clean / Cannon initial whiff

7.	Clean / 3+ seconds of time
8.	Play action

9.	Run
10.	Play action / Cannon pressure 73

11.	Run / Cannon demerit 93 makes tackle, bad cut block / Demerit Devey 73 driven back
12.	Run / Demerit Devey 73 driven back / Holding Devey
13.	Draw
14.	Draw

4th Drive 4th 13:45
1.	Play action
2.	Sack Cannon 92
3.	Run / Demerit Devey 98 failed cut block
4.	Blitz / Vereen Pressure / Edelman merit blocks left edge

5th Drive 4th 9:26
Stork in for Connolly
Solder - Cannon - Stork - Devey - Vollmer
1.	Run
2.	Run
3.	QB sneak / Demerit Devey missed 92

6th Drive 4th 6:41
Kline in for Cannon
Solder - Kline - Stork - Devey - Vollmer
1.	Run (great drive blocking interior line)

2.	Run
3.	False start Fleming
4.	Run
5.	Run

6.	Run
7.	Run
8.	Run (demerits Wright and LaFell)
9.	Pressure Kline Unanchor 93 / Pressure Vollmer 98

Stork and then Kline came on in the late game. Kline's one pass blocking play was not an achievement but he and Stork did get some good movement in the run game, though its hard to tell if this was just a result of Minnesota's fatigue at that point.

I have made the executive decision to count penalties as demerits (though they don't stack per play, saving Solder alone about 4 extra demerits). Below are the whole-game totals:

Code:
Player		Sack	Knockdown	Pressure	Demerit	
Solder		0		0		2		2
Cannon		1		0		1		3
Connolly	0		0		0		1
Devey		0		0		0		6
Vollmer		0		0		1		0
Stork		0		0		0		0
Kline		0		0		1		0
Fleming		0		0		0		1

Cannon and Devey are still a work in progress. On the plus side Devey has gotten a lot better at sniffing out defensive line stunts; he handled at least two successfully, pushing his rusher to Vollmer and picking up the looper.
 
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So last week I speculated after Jordan Devey's gruesome second half against Miami that the Pats would probably evaluate other options at the RG spot in Week 2. Obviously that didn't happen. Maybe Ryan Wendell's knee injury tied their hands a bit, but the Pats still had Josh Kline and Bryan Stork available if they needed a warm body. So lukewarm as it may be, Devey certainly got a vote of confidence this week.

As far as I can see, the Patriots are basically committed to putting big, mauling guards on the field, which Cannon (6'5") and Devey (6'6") are and which Kline (6'3) Connolly (6'4") and Wendell (6'2") are not, which fits with DeGuglielmo's m.o. So long as those two don't kill somebody or **** themselves for an entire game the Pats look like they will roll with them until they "stop improving" and I think we can all agree that there is plenty of room for improvement.

Despite their large size the Pats are not shy about pulling either Cannon or Devey, and especially Devey. Against Minnesota they did it repeatedly, both for runs and play action. Very little zone or straight drive blocking going on which is good because both Cannon and Devey tend to suck at straight power blocking, especially Devey. Cannon can move people but tends to slide off. Devey tends to get bowled over backwards.

Anyways the 1st half, focused as always on the pass blocking:

Code:
1st Drive 1st Quarter 10:54
1.    Run
2.    Run
3.    Run

2nd Drive 1st 6:57
1.    Run
2.    Run

3rd Drive 1st 4:43
1.    Play action

2.    Run
3.    Run
4.    Fly sweep

5.    Play action

6.    Play action
7.    Run / Holding Cannon
8.    Draw
9.    WR bubble screen

4th Drive 2nd 13:30
1.    Run
2.    Quick pass (offensive tackles cut block)
3.    Clean pocket / OPI Dobson
4.    Fake draw / Devey picks up stunt

5.    Run
6.    Clean pocket
7.    Pressure Solder 97

8.    +1 Blitz / Free rusher knockdown / Pressure Hoomanawanui 96

5th Drive 2nd 5:51
1.    Run
2.    Play action

3.    Run
4.    Run
5.    Run / Cannon Connolly Devey demerits

Code:
Player        Sack    Knockdown    Pressure    Demerit
Solder        0        0        1        0
Cannon        0        0        0        1
Connolly    0        0        0        1
Devey        0        0        0        1
Vollmer        0        0        0        0

Now before everyone gets all excited and happy concerning the 1st half blocking dominance of the o-line, take a closer look at the play chart up there and note all the run plays and play action plays the Pats ran. The Pats did not run a straight-up pass play until their 17th play of the half, 20 minutes into the game. The third time they did it Solder allowed a pressure off a spin move to the inside.

Let me emphasize that again: out of 27 offensive plays the Pats ran in the first half, 23 of them were either runs, passes off of play action, or designed quick throws such as WR screens, slants, or quick outs. The Pats o-line was only asked to block against a bona-fide pass rush four times. They gave Brady a clean pocket twice, and a third was a +1 blitz Brady hit Edelman for a TD on.

The offensive line really wasn't given a chance to screw things up.

I would like to call special attention to the last play of the half, where I gave the entire interior of the line a demerit. That was the third and one call where Ridley lost a yard running off-tackle to the left. Cannon let his guy slide past him and tried to hook him, while Connolly and Devey basically got bowled over at the snap, Devey ending up on the ground three yards in the backfield. Ugly stuff.

Second half coming eventually.

EDIT: the whitespace handling continues to be touch-and-go.


Great post, imo this is what this place is best at and it would be a much better site if people dropped the agendas and focused more on this kind of analytical look at the games and players, as well as what we can expect from upcoming opponents.
 
Additional points

1) Devey is the kind of mauler that the coach wants.

2) A six man line does really protect a quarterback.
 
Additional points

1) Devey is the kind of mauler that the coach wants.

2) A six man line does really protect a quarterback.

And supports a power running game, too.

FWIW, here's a nice read on Stanford's "jumbo" offensive line approach, which often includes extra blockers, linemen lined up at the TE position, and rotation of linemen:

"It's been amazing to be a part of something that's really taken a life of its own," says center Graham Shuler. "Elephant packages, Monster. Originally, they were ideas and goal-line packages, and we realized we could use them all over the field and all the time. it was really cool watching Coach Bloom play around with those and make them functional."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2014/09/02/college-football-stanford-cardinal-offensive-line/14979515/

Cam Fleming has extensive experience in this scheme. Of note:

Stanford's coaches have met the past two offseasons with some of the NFL's brightest minds, bouncing ideas back and forth. Bloomgren says he spent a lot of time with the Atlanta Falcons two years ago, and that last spring, eight different NFL offensive line coaches came to Stanford's campus to chat. Two offensive coordinators came though, as did longtime former New England Patriots line coach Dante Scarnecchia.

And those are just the teams that have come to Palo Alto.

"We get opportunities to go into an NFL facility and have 10 questions to get answered that will help our offense," Bloomgren says. "They're an open book, it helps us tremendously. What's surprising is they turn around and have five questions for us. It's flattering."

I'm assuming that the OL is in transition right now and will take some time for the kinks to get sorted out, for people to learn their roles properly and learn the playbook, and for the youngsters to develop. But it seems like there is a concerted departure aware from the ZBS approach of the past towards a very different kind of line, with some very creative and innovative concepts involved. It could fall flat on its face, but it could also be an exciting thing to watch unfold. I don't much care how it looks weeks 1-2 (as long as Brady doesn't get killed), but I'm very interested in seeing how it will look down the stretch and in the post-season. An OL that could actually push some people around could be a nice change.
 
Additional points

1) Devey is the kind of mauler that the coach wants.

2) A six man line does really protect a quarterback.

Agree on both but the 6 man line also limits Brady's options and was a likely contributor to the lesser offensive production. It got the job done which is all that matters as they couldn't drop to 0-2 but they will obviously have to reach the point where they can go with just the five OL.
 
Where did Gronk line up mainly -- in tight or split out? If Fleming is a placeholder for healthy-Gronk, the early-season scheming takes on a whole different context.
 
And supports a power running game, too.

FWIW, here's a nice read on Stanford's "jumbo" offensive line approach, which often includes extra blockers, linemen lined up at the TE position, and rotation of linemen:



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2014/09/02/college-football-stanford-cardinal-offensive-line/14979515/

Cam Fleming has extensive experience in this scheme. Of note:



I'm assuming that the OL is in transition right now and will take some time for the kinks to get sorted out, for people to learn their roles properly and learn the playbook, and for the youngsters to develop. But it seems like there is a concerted departure aware from the ZBS approach of the past towards a very different kind of line, with some very creative and innovative concepts involved. It could fall flat on its face, but it could also be an exciting thing to watch unfold. I don't much care how it looks weeks 1-2 (as long as Brady doesn't get killed), but I'm very interested in seeing how it will look down the stretch and in the post-season. An OL that could actually push some people around could be a nice change.

Excellent post, as usual, I didn't know about any of the information about Stanford using this and it looks like another example of Belichick getting out in front schematically. Much as I loved Scar I have wanted them to go big on the OL for a long time and I'm hoping that Googe is the right guy to implement the new schemes with roadgrading OL. I'm not a fan of rotation on the OL so i hope that isn't what he's planning but I will be really interested to see how this OL shapes up over the season. It will be a little easier with Oakland coming to town next week but the KC game will definitely test their passblocking.

If you can weigh in on the defense we saw today Mayo it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Excellent post, as usual, I didn't know about any of the information about Stanford using this and it looks like another example of Belichick getting out in front schematically. Much as I loved Scar I have wanted them to go big on the OL for a long time and I'm hoping that Googe is the right guy to implement the new schemes with roadgrading OL. I'm not a fan of rotation on the OL so i hope that isn't what he's planning but I will be really interested to see how this OL shapes up over the season. It will be a little easier with Oakland coming to town next week but the KC game will definitely test their pass blocking.

I think I commented on it last year, and particularly on this article:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2013/12/31/stanford-cardinal-offensive-line

It's another good read, which also notes historical ties to the Jets' and Ravens' lines. Of course, it needs experience and personnel to run it effectively. Stanford lost 4 OL starters last year, and their line struggled in their opener against USC. I suspect they'll get those problems sorted out in time, as I hope the Patriots will.

I'm not a fan in general of rotating offensive linemen either; using extra linemen is something different.

If you can weigh in on the defense we saw today Mayo it would be greatly appreciated.

I missed large portions of the game today, so I don't want to weigh in at this point. Comments by others are very much appreciated.
 
I'm not a fan in general of rotating offensive linemen either; using extra linemen is something different.

It's really really early in the season. I opined LAST week that the shuffling in and out and the bad play all around was directly attributable to that suffocating heat. Today, in normal football conditions, the line played strong the entire game. That extra lineman was a wrinkle in the 2nd half if I'm not mistaken.

This coach and staff KNOW everything we know and far beyond. They are building toward a December peak as they have done like in what seems forever. I'd bet that 95% of us here KNOW this. It's this incessant tiny percentage of whiners that pick on particular players no matter what the outcome of the game is that really casts a dark shadow over this board after , seemingly, every game. Last week, Devey would have been stoned like a harlot in B.C. Jerusalem. Today his play was markedly improved, as was the play of our LT and LG....and so it goes. Next up...our FIRST home game. I hope the uptrend continues on both lines.
 
I think I commented on it last year, and particularly on this article:

http://www.si.com/college-football/2013/12/31/stanford-cardinal-offensive-line

It's another good read, which also notes historical ties to the Jets' and Ravens' lines. Of course, it needs experience and personnel to run it effectively. Stanford lost 4 OL starters last year, and their line struggled in their opener against USC. I suspect they'll get those problems sorted out in time, as I hope the Patriots will.

I'm not a fan in general of rotating offensive linemen either; using extra linemen is something different.



.

I missed thsat last year, thanks for thre llink I just read it. I agree that sets with extra lineman can be a good tool I just want them to sort out their starters and how they set therm up as soon as possible.
 
Where did Gronk line up mainly -- in tight or split out? If Fleming is a placeholder for healthy-Gronk, the early-season scheming takes on a whole different context.

He was in-formation quite a bit. As I was concentrating on the line I don't know the ratio of in-out.
 
Agree on both but the 6 man line also limits Brady's options and was a likely contributor to the lesser offensive production. It got the job done which is all that matters as they couldn't drop to 0-2 but they will obviously have to reach the point where they can go with just the five OL.

I suspect that Bill Belichick did the football equivalent of walking to the mound and taking the ball from the pitcher this week. I suspect his edict in Foxboro was along the lines of, "run the effin' ball...."

This would explain 22 pass attempts and Brady's down in the dumps hang dog press conference after a big win.
 
perhaps...listen to Callahan and Dennis in the a.m. and find out...
 
I don't do WEEI. I'll wait for the Brady interview to be posted on iTunes and catch it then. The contrast in the Belichick and Brady press conferences tonight was striking....
 
He was in-formation quite a bit. As I was concentrating on the line I don't know the ratio of in-out.

Whatever it was, I'm not sure it was a reliable guide for the future, even apart from the week-to-week game-plan swings. It feels like we're still in preseason for Gronk.
 
It feels like we're still in preseason for Gronk.

No question. It only makes sense. Players are always tentative and slow to trust a repaired knee. Gronk's no different. The coaches are smart trying to bring him along slowly. It's a long season.
 
Uno, I am eager to get your thoughts on Stork.
 
No question. It only makes sense. Players are always tentative and slow to trust a repaired knee. Gronk's no different. The coaches are smart trying to bring him along slowly. It's a long season.

as long as we keep winning and have Gronkowski healthy and at beast mode for the stretch-run/playoffs

Overall I thought our offensive line played well. the penalties are a concern however because they are killing some nice drives two weeks in a row. But, overall brady stood upright most of the game.
 
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